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From "Christian Cryder" <christi...@granitepeaks.com>
Subject RE: why struts , Confused ?
Date Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:01:16 GMT
Hi Zaili,

YOu might also want to take a gander at Barracuda, which builds on top of
XMLC/DOM.
http://barracudamvc.org

Christian
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Christian Cryder [christianc@atmreports.com]
Internet Architect, ATMReports.com
Barracuda - http://barracudamvc.org
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"Coffee? I could quit anytime, just not today"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@gridnode.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 10:51 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: why struts , Confused ?
>
>
> You might be interested in taking a look at XMLC then.
> http://xmlc.enhydra.org/
>
> Nothing to stop you using this with struts. :-)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zaili_Xu@ocs.com [mailto:Zaili_Xu@ocs.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 29 April 2003 02:48
> To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: RE: why struts , Confused ?
>
>
> I have the same feeling as yours. We already know java, a perfect
> language.
> Why do we have to learn another language, JPS tags, and spend time in
> replacing one language with another one ? What is the benefit ?
> Whe can't we
> imagine that in the future we can write UI pages in pure java
> based on some
> framework that will automatically translate java code to UI tags ? Why NOT
> !!
>
> Zaili
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kruse, Matt [mailto:MKruse@aquent.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 2:27 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: why struts , Confused ?
>
>
> > From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@hotmail.com]
> > JSP is the standard view technology so Struts provides custom
> > tags to make life much easier when building JSPs.
>
> I would disagree with this part, as I've found the JSP taglibs to be a
> _huge_ pain in the ass. The argument names are not logical, IMO,
> and trying
> to use logic tags to display nested loops of a data hierarchy was
> difficult,
> when it would have been much easier with just straight Java code embedded.
>
> The Controller part of Struts is great, tiles are great, a lot of
> the little
> work it takes care of is great. But I've yet to be convinced that
> the custom
> taglibs add much value. I kept feeling like, "I have this bean, I
> know what
> need to paint, and I know how to do it in Java... now let me
> spend the next
> 2 hours debugging these damn struts tags that will give me the EXACT SAME
> RESULT!"
>
> I know the general goal is to remove code from the JSP, but I
> don't believe
> in that concept. The JSP files _ARE_ part of the code. No technical writer
> could pick up a struts JSP and work with it any more than they
> could with a
> JSP with Java code in it. And most of the time, it's purely
> programmers who
> touch the JSP anyway. If it's full of struts tags, a non-struts java
> programmer can't pick it up and do anything with it without first learning
> the tags, which is not necessarily an easy task. I think display logic is
> still part of the programming job, and I see no reason to treat it like a
> separate beast!
>
> Matt Kruse
>
>
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