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From "James Mitchell" <jmitch...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
Date Thu, 06 Feb 2003 18:11:58 GMT
> Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like
> environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing proprietary
> development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with corporate
> resources. :)


Well, it won't matter if you are stuck behind a firewall that gives you port
80 and 21 only!!!!

If I seem a bit upset, I have just cause.  I hate having to wait till I get
home before I can get anything really important done.

--
James Mitchell





----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Baity" <tonybaity@yahoo.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <struts-user@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:56 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for
development


>
> For those folks that have a little extra personal time to spare... and a
laptop... and a way to transfer files from your work PC to your laptop....
Then freedom is just around the corner.
> In the last year, I was cut loose from a very strictly controlled
environment where the developers had to wait months while upper management
tried to squeeze App Server and IDE Vendors down to lower and lower prices
before someone finally would make a decision a buy something. So I
understand the choking affect of code development decisions that are routed
through the accounting department and upper management. But with Java and
current open source efforts, anyone should be able to start development or
work from home using open source and migrate over to vendor supplied
products later.
> I am now a consultant and have become used to carrying a laptop around. In
fact, due to a recent client's development environment issues, I did the
first month's development completely on the laptop and shared files at work
through a network drive. The only problem I had was converting an Oracle
schema to Pointbase (don't laugh... it got me through unit testing)
> Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like
environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing proprietary
development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with corporate
resources. :)
> -Tony
>
>
>
>
>  Mark Galbreath <mark_galbreath@qat.com> wrote:You read into it what you
will, but the topic was software innovation in
> corporate America. I was making an extreme point. If this offends you,
> perhaps you take yourself too seriously.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:13 PM
> To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for
> development
>
>
> Now we're onto Hitler? This is way too off topic even for posts designated
> [OT].
>
> David
>
>
>
> >From: "Mark Galbreath"
> >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'"
> >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for
> >development
> >Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:44:27 -0500
> >
> >
> >That is way too simplistic, dude. Creativity is the catalyst for
> >innovation. Stifle developers' ability to be creative and you lose
> >innovation. American innovation have been so great over the centuries
> >because business owners realized the value in R&D and being the first
> >to patent a new innovation. That's what drove productivity and profits
> >from the invention of the power loom to the cotton gin, interchangeable
> >parts, Taylorism (scientific management), robotics, and software. What
> >Simon is talking about are companies (or divisions) run by
> >short-sighted people interested more often than not with their
> >immediate personal welfare and/or the blind enforcement of a
> >theoretical policy. Even a fascist pig like Hitler was responsible for
> >the most innovative advances in weaponry in a 100 years not because he
> >dictated policy, but because he gave his scientists freedom to
> >innovate.
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Michael C. Lee Jr. [mailto:mleejr@hotmail.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:21 AM
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for
> >development
> >
> >
> >I'm sorry, I have to repond to this communist drivel.
> >
> >"Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, it
> >will
> >not be required at the office." No, that is your company...Landsend by
the
> >looks of it. And last I looked, Corporate America had more innovations
per
> >capita than Cuba or other similiar 'non-Corporate' countries. Landsend,
and
> >most other countries, want to make a profit. That is a motivating factor
to
> >innovate. Michael Lee
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Chappell, Simon P"
> >To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:17 AM
> >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for
> >development
> >
> >
> >As discussed in previous conversations, I am here for
> >geographical/religious
> >reasons and my employer is where you work if you're a programmer in this
> >town. Many aspects of the company are good, but once in a while the stuff
> >flowing downhill is crazier than usual.
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mark_galbreath@qat.com]
> > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:03 AM
> > >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for
> > >development
> > >
> > >
> > >That sucks! I would have to be desperate to work in such an
> > >environment!
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:Simon.Chappell@landsend.com]
> > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:57 AM
> > >
> > >If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down to us
> > >from a being so far up the corporate ladder that it still has frost
> > >on it. This same breather of rarified air, then also decides that
> > >once you're using WAS,
> > >you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're
> > >going to lock
> > >down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff on there to use
> > >instead.
> > >
> > >Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home,
> > >it will not be required at the office.
> > >
> > >Simon
> > >
> > >
> > >
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