Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jakarta-struts-user-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 81293 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 10:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nagoya.betaversion.org) (192.18.49.131) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 10:57:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 20735 invoked by uid 97); 11 Sep 2002 10:57:48 -0000 Delivered-To: qmlist-jakarta-archive-struts-user@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 20719 invoked by uid 97); 11 Sep 2002 10:57:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact struts-user-help@jakarta.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Struts Users Mailing List" Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" Delivered-To: mailing list struts-user@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 20707 invoked by uid 98); 11 Sep 2002 10:57:47 -0000 X-Antivirus: nagoya (v4218 created Aug 14 2002) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:01:31 +0900 From: Joel Rees To: "Struts Users Mailing List" Subject: Re: Apple Web Objects Cc: In-Reply-To: <20020911005849.5096.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <2193DEC532DCD311BCF8009027DE24101779241B@na1ecm05.dearborn.ford.com> <20020911005849.5096.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <20020911194519.E537.JOEL@alpsgiken.gr.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.00.11 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Haven't had any personal experience with it, but -- > Noting the spirit of open comment and criticism on > Struts-alternative products in the J2EE community, I > was mildly surprised to search the archives of > theserverside and the Struts users list and find no > reference to 'Apple Web Objects'. It's expensive? Wait. Looking at Idea, it's only a little expensive. > I was wondering if anyone had come across them in > their travels. Their WYSIWYG approach is attractive, > throwing away servlets and jsps does worry me but if > it is still Java then it is still preferable to .Net, > right? I may even be able to keep my EJBs ... It's funny. I've heard people complain about it, but what they said made me wonder if there was anything they wouldn't complain about. I think I've heard that it shares a lot with Apple's Cocoa IDE, which is kind of fun, and very MVC, although it doesn't do nearly as much hand-holding for you as, say, Delphi. How much you'd gain if you succeeded in perverting it for Tomcat/Struts, I have no way of guessing. > At US$1500 for a licence, is it worth looking into > further? I thought it was $700. -- Joel Rees -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail: