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From Jonas Björnerstedt <>
Subject RE: all this traffic
Date Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:24:03 GMT
Being rather new to the list, I was not familiar with the [OT] convention.
Searching the archives for an explanation of the conventions is a bit
difficult, I get thousands of hits whatever I try. Could someone repost, or
point me in the right direction? Maybe all postings to this list should have
some kind of indication of topic?

My original suggestion was to reduce traffic basically by splitting the
list. The idea should not be all that controversial, after all there are a
lot of Jakarta lists. I subscribe to several. The question is rather if
there is a natural way of splitting the list.

Given that Struts is still beta, I think a struts-beginner list would make
life easier for beginners. I don't think newcomers pose questions out of
laziness. It is easy to get *totally* stuck when starting, especially when
the program is beta. I don't know how many postings I have seen that start
with something like "forgive me for my stupid question...". Let beginners -
like me - speak freely.

Struts tags should be separated into a separate list. Many users like me
have no interest in the Struts tags. I am following the advice of Craig and
"seriously consider(ing) waiting for the ability to use JSF components
instead of the Struts HTML tag library."  Given that the Struts tags are
rather separate, and that there are several alternatives, I think a
struts-tags list is in order. Alternatively, it would be a good idea for
people to put [Tag] in the subject.

I wanted to suggest a "cheap" way to get better Struts documentation. I
realize that having a forum would be nice, and that people could sit down
and submit FAQs. The problem is that it is not going to happen, because it
takes a bit too much effort. The point of having a struts-answers list is
that it requires little effort.

I wonder how many of those who suggest searching the struts-users archive
actually do this themselves. It might be that I am a klutz at searching, but
the sheer volume of hits makes it cumbersome to use.

A struts-answer archive would be a distilled version of the users list. If I
read a mail to the struts-user list that I find instructive, I simply
forward it to the struts-answer list.

A nice thing about the struts-user list is that a question usually prompts
several answers. When a user has received such a response, I think he would
be more than glad to combine these to an answer in the struts-answer list.
It is a way of paying back.

Btw, the link:


seems broken.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Graham []
> Sent: den 27 september 2002 17:28
> To:
> Subject: Re: all this traffic
> Agreed, but it's frustrating when you submit a patch or documentation and
> its not applied or responded to.  It seems like they can get lost in the
> shuffle.
> Dave
> >From: Eddie Bush <>
> >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <>
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List <>
> >Subject: Re: all this traffic
> >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:20:48 -0500
> >
> >Don't take this wrong :-)
> >
> >This is "open-source".  If you find something lacking, you are free to
> >contribute to it's betterment!  Bugzilla does not discriminate on any
> >basis, so everyone can submit patches.  Also, there's nothing stopping
> >someone who wants to compile messages under some index from
> doing so -- and
> >submitting that to the committers as a contribution :-) (through
> Bugzilla -
> >use Bugzilla for anything you want to be submitted for inclusion -- no
> >matter how small or large.  If you are patching something, it is
> >best-practice to submit a "diff -u" as an attachment to the bug)
> >
> >adam kramer wrote:
> >
> >>There's seems to be alot of resistance to any sort of suggestion that
> >>might create better documentation and useability of Struts.
> >>
> >>Rather than telling people they have bad management skills, the obvious
> >>thing to do would be to actually listen and try to find solutions. There
> >>are lots of messages like Jonas's and there seems to be a core of people
> >>who are unwilling to listen or to change; it's like a chorus of people
> >>complaining about a bad interface and a group of developers just saying
> >>"get used to it buddy, always has been always will!"
> >>
> >>just an oh so humble suggestion.
> >>
> >>-adam k.
> >>
> >
> >--
> >Eddie Bush
> >
> >
> >
> >
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