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From: "Chris Miller" <kiwi@vardus.co.uk>
To: <struts-user@jakarta.apache.org>
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Subject: Re: app in production
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:57:57 +0100
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We're just about to take delivery of JBuilder 4.0. I went to the launch of
it and managed to have a quick play with it too. It has some very nice JSP
features including full debugging/breakpoints, code insight, code
completion. About time something could do all that, and let me debug my
EJB's at the same time :-).
One thing I'm not sure of is how well the Struts tags will integrate into
this kind of environment, however hopefully someone will be able to write an
OpenTools add-on that can handle Struts, or even better, arbitrary 3rd party
tags?

Craig - you mentioned a while ago that you were in talks wrt Struts
integration with an IDE/design tool of some sort. Any hints/timeframes on
this? Even a teaser like "making good progress, expect to see an
announcement shortly" ;-). I was guessing it had something to do with
Dreamweaver Ultradev (which wouldn't interest me), but if there was some
kind of integration with JBuilder I would be extremely interested.

Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: "Aaron Wadley" <admin@cyberlizard.org>
To: <struts-user@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: app in production


> I have been using Forte from Sun.  As far as I can tell, it handles JSP
> tags and HTML.  I haven't done much with it, but it seems to have a bunch
> of additional features for remote debugging and running JSP and servlets
> in the environment.  Again, I haven't used any of these, so if anyone has
> any experience with Forte, I'd be interested in hearing.
>
> Aaron Wadley
>
>
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Steve Wilkinson wrote:
>
> > Sorry, but I guess I was not clear.  My apologies.
> > The editor should be able to handle HTML editing with JSP editing.
> >
> > Steve Wilkinson wrote:
> >
> > > Hum...  I have used JBuilder 3.0 previously.  Other than the disk
thrashing,
> > > the in ability to handle a large projects (more than 100 classes and
10
> > > packages), and the frequent crashing, it was ok.  However, Inprise
decided
> > > to release version 3.5, the 100% Java version of JBuilder.  Now, this
> > > product was a step backwards!  Don't get me wrong, it's not because it
was
> > > written in Java.  It's because the developers who created it could not
> > > program a UI in Java.  For example, I could not create a new directory
from
> > > the UI for my project.  It wanted to name the new directory "New
Folder" and
> > > would not let me call it anything else.  The text field for the
directory
> > > name would not let me name the directory.  My goodness did they test
this
> > > crap or just ship it?  The other problem that I had with JBuilder3.0
and 3.5
> > > was that in order to use them on an existing project you had to import
each
> > > of you java files by hand, because the concept of a Classpath/Search
path
> > > seems foreign to Inprise.
> > >
> > > Malcom, did you only use JBuilder on a new project?
> > > Malcom, didn't you have issues with the poor Java event handling by
> > > JBuilder?
> > >
> > > BTW, gvim rocks.   (www.vim.org)  It doesn't care about classpath, it
> > > doesn't thrash, it doesn't crash.  Don't knock gvim until you have
tried
> > > it.  Currently, I use gvim and ant.  Gvim for editing and ant for
> > > compiling.  It's MUCH faster than JBuilder.
> > >
> > > What I was asking, and no one has seemed to answer, is what editor
supports
> > > JSP editing with JSP tags?
> > > Does JBuilder support that?
> > >
> > > I have used Macromedia Dreamweaver 3.0 and Homesite 4.5 with JSP's but
they
> > > don't support JSP1.1 and JSP Tag libraries.  So, I was wondering if
there
> > > was a tool out there that supported that.  Macromedia is pushing
UltraDev,
> > > but that only supports JSP1.0, thus no tag libraries.
> > >
> > > BTW, thanks for the feedback Malcom.  However, be honest and speak
about
> > > JBuilder's problems and the step backwards that the IDE took between
3.0 and
> > > 3.5.  If any one questions what I'm talking about just read the
newsgroups
> > > on Borland's site.  Many people are flaming them.  I gave up on them.
They
> > > are giving Java IDE's a bad name.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > Malcolm Davis wrote:
> > >
> > > > My 2-cents:
> > > > I use JBuilder, there are other JSP editors out there.
> > > > Borland has a version of JBuilder that runs on Linux and Solaris.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know many people that still use vi or emacs.
> > > > There are soooo many cool tools out there.
> > > >
> > > > Malcolm
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Steve Wilkinson [mailto:stevendwilkinson@acm.org]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 7:06 PM
> > > > > To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: app in production
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm curious about how you make modifications to the jsp pages.
> > > > > Do you use an Editor that supports JSP Tag libraries or do you
> > > > > use a traditional
> > > > > editor like vi or emacs?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Steven D. Wilkinson, stevendwilkinson@acm.org
> > > President, Elkhorn Creek Software, Inc.
> > >
> > > Co-author: Professional JSP, Wrox Press Inc.; ISBN: 1861003625
> > > Silent author: Developing Java Servlets, Sams; ISBN: 0672316005
> >
> > --
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > Steven D. Wilkinson, stevendwilkinson@acm.org
> > President, Elkhorn Creek Software, Inc.
> >
> > Co-author: Professional JSP, Wrox Press Inc.; ISBN: 1861003625
> > Silent author: Developing Java Servlets, Sams; ISBN: 0672316005
> >
> >
>
>