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From Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlen...@apache.org>
Subject Re: New logo
Date Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:30:27 GMT
My favourites are two and three but I think we can have few versions
each with different colors. What about fonts? I would like to push
this further and start working on web-side layout :-)

2014-03-07 18:09 GMT+01:00 Chris Pratt <thechrispratt@gmail.com>:
> I like the third from the top the best.  It has the best contrast between
> the light and dark blues.
>   (*Chris*)
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlenart@apache.org>wrote:
>
>> New colors https://copy.com/mewPAFa0GuQo and designer's answer:
>>
>> Several blue variants to be considered. As well as several fonts.
>>
>> I do not agree about the font - I like it very much, it is modern -
>> not all serifs are outdated.
>>
>> The font is called Aleo, you can read some here
>> http://fontfabric.com/aleo-free-font/
>>
>> 2014-03-07 15:29 GMT+01:00 Andrew Carr <andrewlanecarr@gmail.com>:
>> > I have a tattoo already.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Matthew Panetta <matthew@panetta.id.au
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On 7 Mar 2014, at 10:46 pm, Dave Newton <davelnewton@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Honestly, if it comes down to it, I'm willing to throw some money at
>> >> > 99designs to get it done right.
>> >> >
>> >> > Another issue I had was the really thin whitespace lines in the logo;
>> >> that
>> >> > can make some printing a bit trickier.
>> >> >
>> >> > Because we all want t-shirts and tattoos, right?
>> >> >
>> >> > Right?
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone?
>> >>
>> >> Sure, why not.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:42 AM, info@flyingfischer.ch <
>> >> info@flyingfischer.ch
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Voltaire and Oswald seem to be condensed fonts, while Alegreya
Sans
>> SC
>> >> and
>> >> >> Alef and others aren't.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I always feel typography is a very difficult job and needs to be
>> seen in
>> >> >> the given case.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Maybe the graphic guy could make some suggestions, choosing the
>> >> >> appropriate kind of font for the situation?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Markus
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Am 07.03.2014 12:08, schrieb Matthew Panetta:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> I like Roboto and Inconsolata.  Also found Voltaire and Oswald.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:
>> >> >>>
>> Alegreya+Sans+SC|Viga|Audiowide|Carrois+Gothic+SC|Alef|Roboto|Nobile|
>> >> >>> Inconsolata|Voltaire|Oswald<
>> >>
>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:Alegreya+Sans+SC%7CViga%7CAudiowide%7CCarrois+Gothic+SC%7CAlef%7CRoboto%7CNobile%7CInconsolata%7CVoltaire%7COswald
>> >> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 7 Mar 2014, at 6:05 pm, Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlenart@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Maybe some of these
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:
>> >> >>>> Alegreya+Sans+SC|Flamenco|Cambo|Esteban|Audiowide|
>> >> >>>>
>> >>
>> Carrois+Gothic+SC|Alef|Prosto+One|Varela+Round|Roboto|Nobile|Inconsolata<
>> >>
>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:Alegreya+Sans+SC%7CFlamenco%7CCambo%7CEsteban%7CAudiowide%7CCarrois+Gothic+SC%7CAlef%7CProsto+One%7CVarela+Round%7CRoboto%7CNobile%7CInconsolata
>> >> >
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> 2014-03-07 7:47 GMT+01:00 Matthew Panetta <matthew@panetta.id.au>:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> My thoughts exactly. Needs a different font.
>> >> >>>>> On 07/03/2014 5:41 pm, "info@flyingfischer.ch" <
>> >> info@flyingfischer.ch>
>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> The Logo looks nice. Has a slight reference to the
art work of
>> M.C.
>> >> >>>>>> Escher. Great work.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Blue is always nice ;-)
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> The typography however gives the whole logo a not
too modern
>> touch,
>> >> >>>>>> because it uses letters with serifs. I wonder if
this will match
>> >> nicely
>> >> >>>>>> with the serif free home page of struts 2?
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Best regards
>> >> >>>>>> Markus Fischer
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Am 07.03.2014 06:50, schrieb Lukasz Lenart:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Link if attachment is missing
>> >> >>>>>>> https://copy.com/MXrnIYz8KajY
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> 2014-03-07 0:01 GMT+01:00 Chris Pratt <thechrispratt@gmail.com
>> >:
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> I must have missed it, I don't see anything??
>> >> >>>>>>>>   (*Chris*)
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Lukasz
Lenart <
>> >> >>>>>>>> lukaszlenart@apache.org>
>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Work continues, 3rd version of logo, wdyt?
I think dark-blue
>> >> version
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> would be also nice.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> 2013-11-26 8:59 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Lenart
<
>> lukaszlenart@apache.org
>> >> >:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> I have passed your comment to designer
- anyway we have time
>> and
>> >> we
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> can always start over when the
first logo won't be good
>> enough
>> >> ;-)
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Reagrds
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Łukasz
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> 2013/11/24 Rene Gielen <rene.gielen@gmail.com>:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Am 20.11.13 14:52, schrieb Christian
Grobmeier:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 16:51, Lukasz
Lenart wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2013/11/12 Cameron Morris
<cmorris@part.net>:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I love the look of
steampunk and rickety old bridges, but
>> I
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sends
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wrong message
for a project fighting the perception
>> of
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> old
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> legacy.  I'd say the more modern looking
the better.  However,
>> >> some
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> of the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more modern bridges
look so space age it might be hard to
>> >> tell
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> are bridges if they are made into a
small icon.  Perhaps some
>> of
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> might spark an idea: http://www.flickr.com/search/?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> q=modern%20bridge
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm... you know everything
new someday will be old anyway
>> ;-)
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> rather say let's focus
on having cool logo and not the
>> >> message
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> sends ;-)
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 on the cool logo NOW
instead of wasting more time.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Its always funny with us
devs. We have a crap logo for
>> years.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Somebody shows up and contributes
a fantastic logo
>> (compared
>> >> to
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> other one).
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Suddenly all devs become
designers and social media
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> communicators.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> You are right with our out-of-style
old logo, and that
>> things
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> should
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> change here. But why exactly
are we in such a hurry? Going
>> too
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> long
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> with
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> an old logo does not mean that
a new logo should replace the
>> >> old
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> one
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> as
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> soon as it is just "better".
IMHO we would want to replace
>> it
>> >> with
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> something that satisfies us
for years. It should be cool and
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> catchy
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> now
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> and in five years. "Fantastic
compared to the other one" is
>> IMO
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> not
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> enough. Do we want old-time
users to be surprised to find
>> >> better
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> logo
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> now, or do we want anyone stumbling
over our site or a
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Zeroturnaround
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> web frameworks survey to think
"hey man, nice logo!"?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a social media designer,
and for that reason I need
>> to
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> interact
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> with a designer. I need inspiration
and suggestions to
>> >> formulate
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> turn
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> which directions to go for
the next iteration. Since I'm
>> not a
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> designer,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm for sure too lame with
my own cool logo proposal.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Over all the years I was involved
with design tasks, I've
>> seen
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> design
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> emerge after some iterations
in a process similar to what I
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> outlined
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> above. I have never ever experienced
being given a first
>> >> proposal
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> that
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> makes it directly to production.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Personally I am super-happy
that we have such a great
>> proposal.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> And if we don't have another
option (one of us devs IS a
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> designer AND
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> does some work)
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> we should definitely consider
it.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm super happy with the
work being done, and I like some
>> of
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the ideas
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> incorporated in the first proposals.
I like the fact that
>> >> someone
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> steps
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> up and is kind enough to donate
work and creativity, and I
>> am
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> super
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> thankful for that - and, to
be honest, it makes me bit shy
>> to
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> provide
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> too much criticism, especially
since it is not my profession
>> >> the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> actual
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> work is all about.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I went back and forth many
times the last two weeks to think
>> >> and
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> re-think if I like the logo,
how it might be seen, and what
>> >> well
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> founded
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> criticism I could give. In
my review I tried to both
>> >> incorporate
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> what
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> as a non-professional know
about design, as well as what I
>> as a
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "professional design recipient"
(read: consumer) feel when I
>> >> see
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> logo.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Some of my thoughts:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Most common to me seems a combination
of a dedicated logo
>> icon
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> with a
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> clean writing for the brand,
or just an elaborate writing
>> >> without
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> logo
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> icon. From time to time you
see some font gimmickry to make
>> a
>> >> pure
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> writing recognizable. But I
have failed so far to come up
>> with
>> >> a
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> example
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> for a iconified design building
a writing and a font design.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Have a look at those two sites
(scroll to bottom on both)
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://devoxx.be/#/sponsors
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gopivotal.com/
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> There a good bunch of logos,
both of companies and open
>> source
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> projects,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> that look cool, clean and modern,
yet timeless.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> If you want to follow newest
hipster logo trends,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://gruntjs.com/
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> might be a source for inspiration.
Nevertheless, this seems
>> to
>> >> be
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> not
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> so
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> much on the timeless side...
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> That said and reviewed many
times during last week, I'm
>> more in
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> favor
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> for the combination of an icon
symbol combined with with a
>> >> clean
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> modern typographic font for
the brand name Struts.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Stepping back a bit when viewing
the proposed designs, what
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> strikes me
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> most is that iconified graphic
elements are used to
>> construct a
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> font.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> How does this font look like?
It does not seem to follow
>> all of
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> well
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> established rules for font
design. If you color it
>> completely
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> black
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> from
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the outline and reduce it to
the font shape, it does not
>> look
>> >> like
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> very
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "clean" typography, even a
bit clunky. But besides (or even
>> >> more
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> than?)
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> graphical details and tasteful
colouring, the shape makes
>> the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> first
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> impression to a viewer. I doubt
that it is a good idea to
>> bind
>> >> the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> font
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> shape of a writing to iconified
graphics as building
>> blocks, as
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> this
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> limits how elaborate the typographic
shape itself will look
>> >> like.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Designing a font is a science
by itself, you can find tons
>> of
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> information on the web. Just
for some reading giving an
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> impression:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://designshack.net/articles/typography/8-rules-
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> for-creating-effective-typography/
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> As for me, this breaks down to:
I have tried to like it, but
>> -
>> >> as
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> proposed so far - I don't.
This is my honest personal view.
>> >> And I
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> also
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> think it is a great starting
point to go into design
>> >> iteration. It
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> teases me to think, it gives
the inspiration someone like me
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> needs to
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> imagine and maybe phrase what
he thinks the final logo (or a
>> >> next
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> step)
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> should look like.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Earlier in this discussion,
Dave came up with an interesting
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Google
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> search for an isolated logo
icon to maybe be combined with a
>> >> clean
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> brand
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> writing:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=steampunk+box+truss&safe=on&
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> espv=210&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=
>> >> >>>>>>>>> HjuCUq3NCYrnsATbvYLIBQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1478&bih=1042#
>> >> >>>>>>>>> es_sm=91&espv=210&q=box+truss&safe=off&tbm=isch
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Those two for example could be
excellent templates for an
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> iconified
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> logo
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> graphic:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=eQDpP6WpnMmoXM:&imgrefurl=
>> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.
>> >> >>>>>>>>> germanlightproducts.com/products/16-inch-square-box-
>> >> >>>>>>>>> truss-f44/&docid=
>> >> >>>>>>>>> yGLxIpnpCserbM&imgurl=http://www.germanlightproducts.com/
>> >> >>>>>>>>> wp-content/uploads/2013/01/F44Box_0.jpg&w=1024&h=768&ei=
>> >> >>>>>>>>> zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:73,s:0,i:305&
>> >> >>>>>>>>> iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=176&tbnw=236&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=155&ty=76
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=rGzeKbh__BY3LM:&imgrefurl=
>> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.
>> >> >>>>>>>>> brownswelding.com.au/truss500/&docid=-uk8Vty_qJyznM&imgurl=
>> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.brownswelding.com.au/truss500/images/500box6way.
>> >> >>>>>>>>> jpg&w=200&h=200&ei=zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1&
>> >> >>>>>>>>> ved=1t:3588,r:78,s:0,i:320&iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=160&tbnw=
>> >> >>>>>>>>> 160&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=60&ty=50
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Also a very reduced and iconified
bridge could be interesting
>> >> for
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> a
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> logo
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> icon.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I suck badly at crafting graphics,
but if time permits I'll
>> >> give
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> it a
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> try to express my thoughts
in some graphical draft. But
>> >> basically
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> my
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> overall thoughts go into a
direction like the Typesafe or
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hazelcast
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> logos.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> As far as I understood it, this
contribution is backed by
>> Lukasz
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> company. I am very grateful
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> for the huge effort they
already put into this.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Instead of discussing completely
new approaches and ideas
>> which
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> might
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> lead to even more discussion,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> we all should answer these
two question:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Can you live with the
proposal logo?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> just me: actually no, but it's
a great start :)
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> 2) If yes, do you prefer the
dark or the bright version?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> My answer to 1) is YES!!!!
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> My answer to 2) I LOVE
BOTH
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Christian
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Łukasz
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> @grobmeier
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