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From Dave Newton <davelnew...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: New logo
Date Fri, 07 Mar 2014 16:47:19 GMT
I like it better with the new font, though, I think.



On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlenart@apache.org>wrote:

> New colors https://copy.com/mewPAFa0GuQo and designer's answer:
>
> Several blue variants to be considered. As well as several fonts.
>
> I do not agree about the font - I like it very much, it is modern -
> not all serifs are outdated.
>
> The font is called Aleo, you can read some here
> http://fontfabric.com/aleo-free-font/
>
> 2014-03-07 15:29 GMT+01:00 Andrew Carr <andrewlanecarr@gmail.com>:
> > I have a tattoo already.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Matthew Panetta <matthew@panetta.id.au
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On 7 Mar 2014, at 10:46 pm, Dave Newton <davelnewton@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Honestly, if it comes down to it, I'm willing to throw some money at
> >> > 99designs to get it done right.
> >> >
> >> > Another issue I had was the really thin whitespace lines in the logo;
> >> that
> >> > can make some printing a bit trickier.
> >> >
> >> > Because we all want t-shirts and tattoos, right?
> >> >
> >> > Right?
> >> >
> >> > Anyone?
> >>
> >> Sure, why not.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:42 AM, info@flyingfischer.ch <
> >> info@flyingfischer.ch
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Voltaire and Oswald seem to be condensed fonts, while Alegreya Sans
> SC
> >> and
> >> >> Alef and others aren't.
> >> >>
> >> >> I always feel typography is a very difficult job and needs to be
> seen in
> >> >> the given case.
> >> >>
> >> >> Maybe the graphic guy could make some suggestions, choosing the
> >> >> appropriate kind of font for the situation?
> >> >>
> >> >> Markus
> >> >>
> >> >> Am 07.03.2014 12:08, schrieb Matthew Panetta:
> >> >>
> >> >>> I like Roboto and Inconsolata.  Also found Voltaire and Oswald.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:
> >> >>>
> Alegreya+Sans+SC|Viga|Audiowide|Carrois+Gothic+SC|Alef|Roboto|Nobile|
> >> >>> Inconsolata|Voltaire|Oswald<
> >>
> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:Alegreya+Sans+SC%7CViga%7CAudiowide%7CCarrois+Gothic+SC%7CAlef%7CRoboto%7CNobile%7CInconsolata%7CVoltaire%7COswald
> >> >
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 7 Mar 2014, at 6:05 pm, Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlenart@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Maybe some of these
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:
> >> >>>> Alegreya+Sans+SC|Flamenco|Cambo|Esteban|Audiowide|
> >> >>>>
> >>
> Carrois+Gothic+SC|Alef|Prosto+One|Varela+Round|Roboto|Nobile|Inconsolata<
> >>
> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:Alegreya+Sans+SC%7CFlamenco%7CCambo%7CEsteban%7CAudiowide%7CCarrois+Gothic+SC%7CAlef%7CProsto+One%7CVarela+Round%7CRoboto%7CNobile%7CInconsolata
> >> >
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 2014-03-07 7:47 GMT+01:00 Matthew Panetta <matthew@panetta.id.au>:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> My thoughts exactly. Needs a different font.
> >> >>>>> On 07/03/2014 5:41 pm, "info@flyingfischer.ch" <
> >> info@flyingfischer.ch>
> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> The Logo looks nice. Has a slight reference to the art
work of
> M.C.
> >> >>>>>> Escher. Great work.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Blue is always nice ;-)
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> The typography however gives the whole logo a not too
modern
> touch,
> >> >>>>>> because it uses letters with serifs. I wonder if this
will match
> >> nicely
> >> >>>>>> with the serif free home page of struts 2?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Best regards
> >> >>>>>> Markus Fischer
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Am 07.03.2014 06:50, schrieb Lukasz Lenart:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Link if attachment is missing
> >> >>>>>>> https://copy.com/MXrnIYz8KajY
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> 2014-03-07 0:01 GMT+01:00 Chris Pratt <thechrispratt@gmail.com
> >:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> I must have missed it, I don't see anything??
> >> >>>>>>>>   (*Chris*)
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Lukasz Lenart
<
> >> >>>>>>>> lukaszlenart@apache.org>
> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Work continues, 3rd version of logo, wdyt?
I think dark-blue
> >> version
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> would be also nice.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> 2013-11-26 8:59 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Lenart
<
> lukaszlenart@apache.org
> >> >:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> I have passed your comment to designer
- anyway we have time
> and
> >> we
> >> >>>>>>>>>> can always start over when the first
logo won't be good
> enough
> >> ;-)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Reagrds
> >> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Łukasz
> >> >>>>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> 2013/11/24 Rene Gielen <rene.gielen@gmail.com>:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Am 20.11.13 14:52, schrieb Christian
Grobmeier:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 16:51, Lukasz
Lenart wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2013/11/12 Cameron Morris <cmorris@part.net>:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I love the look of steampunk
and rickety old bridges, but
> I
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sends
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wrong message for
a project fighting the perception
> of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> old
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> legacy.  I'd say the more modern looking
the better.  However,
> >> some
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> of the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more modern bridges
look so space age it might be hard to
> >> tell
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> are bridges if they are made into a small
icon.  Perhaps some
> of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> might spark an idea: http://www.flickr.com/search/?
> >> >>>>>>>>>> q=modern%20bridge
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm... you know everything
new someday will be old anyway
> ;-)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> rather say let's focus
on having cool logo and not the
> >> message
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> sends ;-)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 on the cool logo NOW instead
of wasting more time.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Its always funny with us devs.
We have a crap logo for
> years.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Somebody shows up and contributes
a fantastic logo
> (compared
> >> to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> other one).
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Suddenly all devs become designers
and social media
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> communicators.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> You are right with our out-of-style
old logo, and that
> things
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> should
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> change here. But why exactly are
we in such a hurry? Going
> too
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> long
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> with
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> an old logo does not mean that
a new logo should replace the
> >> old
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> one
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> as
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> soon as it is just "better". IMHO
we would want to replace
> it
> >> with
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> something that satisfies us for
years. It should be cool and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> catchy
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> now
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> and in five years. "Fantastic compared
to the other one" is
> IMO
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> not
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> enough. Do we want old-time users
to be surprised to find
> >> better
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> logo
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> now, or do we want anyone stumbling
over our site or a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Zeroturnaround
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> web frameworks survey to think
"hey man, nice logo!"?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a social media designer,
and for that reason I need
> to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> interact
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> with a designer. I need inspiration
and suggestions to
> >> formulate
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> turn
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> which directions to go for the
next iteration. Since I'm
> not a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> designer,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm for sure too lame with my own
cool logo proposal.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Over all the years I was involved
with design tasks, I've
> seen
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> design
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> emerge after some iterations in
a process similar to what I
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> outlined
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> above. I have never ever experienced
being given a first
> >> proposal
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> that
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> makes it directly to production.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Personally I am super-happy that
we have such a great
> proposal.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> And if we don't have another
option (one of us devs IS a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> designer AND
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> does some work)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> we should definitely consider
it.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm super happy with the work
being done, and I like some
> of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the ideas
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> incorporated in the first proposals.
I like the fact that
> >> someone
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> steps
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> up and is kind enough to donate
work and creativity, and I
> am
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> super
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> thankful for that - and, to be
honest, it makes me bit shy
> to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> provide
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> too much criticism, especially
since it is not my profession
> >> the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> actual
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> work is all about.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I went back and forth many times
the last two weeks to think
> >> and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> re-think if I like the logo, how
it might be seen, and what
> >> well
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> founded
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> criticism I could give. In my review
I tried to both
> >> incorporate
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> what
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> as a non-professional know about
design, as well as what I
> as a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "professional design recipient"
(read: consumer) feel when I
> >> see
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> logo.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Some of my thoughts:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Most common to me seems a combination
of a dedicated logo
> icon
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> with a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> clean writing for the brand, or
just an elaborate writing
> >> without
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> logo
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> icon. From time to time you see
some font gimmickry to make
> a
> >> pure
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> writing recognizable. But I have
failed so far to come up
> with
> >> a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> example
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> for a iconified design building
a writing and a font design.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Have a look at those two sites
(scroll to bottom on both)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://devoxx.be/#/sponsors
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gopivotal.com/
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> There a good bunch of logos, both
of companies and open
> source
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> projects,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> that look cool, clean and modern,
yet timeless.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> If you want to follow newest hipster
logo trends,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://gruntjs.com/
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> might be a source for inspiration.
Nevertheless, this seems
> to
> >> be
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> not
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> so
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> much on the timeless side...
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> That said and reviewed many times
during last week, I'm
> more in
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> favor
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> for the combination of an icon
symbol combined with with a
> >> clean
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> modern typographic font for the
brand name Struts.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Stepping back a bit when viewing
the proposed designs, what
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> strikes me
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> most is that iconified graphic
elements are used to
> construct a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> font.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> How does this font look like? It
does not seem to follow
> all of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> well
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> established rules for font design.
If you color it
> completely
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> black
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> from
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the outline and reduce it to the
font shape, it does not
> look
> >> like
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> very
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "clean" typography, even a bit
clunky. But besides (or even
> >> more
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> than?)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> graphical details and tasteful
colouring, the shape makes
> the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> first
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> impression to a viewer. I doubt
that it is a good idea to
> bind
> >> the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> font
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> shape of a writing to iconified
graphics as building
> blocks, as
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> this
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> limits how elaborate the typographic
shape itself will look
> >> like.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Designing a font is a science by
itself, you can find tons
> of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> information on the web. Just for
some reading giving an
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> impression:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://designshack.net/articles/typography/8-rules-
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> for-creating-effective-typography/
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> As for me, this breaks down to: I have
tried to like it, but
> -
> >> as
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> proposed so far - I don't. This
is my honest personal view.
> >> And I
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> also
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> think it is a great starting point
to go into design
> >> iteration. It
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> teases me to think, it gives the
inspiration someone like me
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> needs to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> imagine and maybe phrase what he
thinks the final logo (or a
> >> next
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> step)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> should look like.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Earlier in this discussion, Dave
came up with an interesting
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Google
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> search for an isolated logo icon
to maybe be combined with a
> >> clean
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> brand
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> writing:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=steampunk+box+truss&safe=on&
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> espv=210&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=
> >> >>>>>>>>> HjuCUq3NCYrnsATbvYLIBQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1478&bih=1042#
> >> >>>>>>>>> es_sm=91&espv=210&q=box+truss&safe=off&tbm=isch
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Those two for example could be excellent
templates for an
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> iconified
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> logo
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> graphic:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=eQDpP6WpnMmoXM:&imgrefurl=
> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.
> >> >>>>>>>>> germanlightproducts.com/products/16-inch-square-box-
> >> >>>>>>>>> truss-f44/&docid=
> >> >>>>>>>>> yGLxIpnpCserbM&imgurl=http://www.germanlightproducts.com/
> >> >>>>>>>>> wp-content/uploads/2013/01/F44Box_0.jpg&w=1024&h=768&ei=
> >> >>>>>>>>> zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:73,s:0,i:305&
> >> >>>>>>>>> iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=176&tbnw=236&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=155&ty=76
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=rGzeKbh__BY3LM:&imgrefurl=
> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.
> >> >>>>>>>>> brownswelding.com.au/truss500/&docid=-uk8Vty_qJyznM&imgurl=
> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.brownswelding.com.au/truss500/images/500box6way.
> >> >>>>>>>>> jpg&w=200&h=200&ei=zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1&
> >> >>>>>>>>> ved=1t:3588,r:78,s:0,i:320&iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=160&tbnw=
> >> >>>>>>>>> 160&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=60&ty=50
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Also a very reduced and iconified bridge
could be interesting
> >> for
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> logo
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> icon.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I suck badly at crafting graphics,
but if time permits I'll
> >> give
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> it a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> try to express my thoughts in some
graphical draft. But
> >> basically
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> my
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> overall thoughts go into a direction
like the Typesafe or
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hazelcast
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> logos.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> As far as I understood it, this contribution
is backed by
> Lukasz
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> company. I am very grateful
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> for the huge effort they already
put into this.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Instead of discussing completely
new approaches and ideas
> which
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> might
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> lead to even more discussion,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> we all should answer these
two question:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Can you live with the proposal
logo?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> just me: actually no, but it's
a great start :)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> 2) If yes, do you prefer the dark
or the bright version?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> My answer to 1) is YES!!!!
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> My answer to 2) I LOVE BOTH
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Christian
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Łukasz
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> @grobmeier
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> --
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/rgielen
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> >> > so: Dave Newton <http://stackoverflow.com/users/438992/dave-newton>
> >>
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