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From "info@flyingfischer.ch" <i...@flyingfischer.ch>
Subject Re: New logo
Date Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:23:53 GMT
I think version two, included the font used there, is nice.

Version three works too, but is a little bit thick and heavy on the 
typography side.

Version one may work too, if you incorporate the font in the whole 
layout, but hit me if I am wrong: no use to choose a nice font for web 
layout if the client has not installed it locally.

I personally prefer a more reduced and serif free font. But this really 
is a matter of taste.

Great work! Thanks! Whatever you choose or will be chosen.

Markus

Am 10.03.2014 11:30, schrieb Lukasz Lenart:
> My favourites are two and three but I think we can have few versions
> each with different colors. What about fonts? I would like to push
> this further and start working on web-side layout :-)
>
> 2014-03-07 18:09 GMT+01:00 Chris Pratt <thechrispratt@gmail.com>:
>> I like the third from the top the best.  It has the best contrast between
>> the light and dark blues.
>>    (*Chris*)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlenart@apache.org>wrote:
>>
>>> New colors https://copy.com/mewPAFa0GuQo and designer's answer:
>>>
>>> Several blue variants to be considered. As well as several fonts.
>>>
>>> I do not agree about the font - I like it very much, it is modern -
>>> not all serifs are outdated.
>>>
>>> The font is called Aleo, you can read some here
>>> http://fontfabric.com/aleo-free-font/
>>>
>>> 2014-03-07 15:29 GMT+01:00 Andrew Carr <andrewlanecarr@gmail.com>:
>>>> I have a tattoo already.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Matthew Panetta <matthew@panetta.id.au
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7 Mar 2014, at 10:46 pm, Dave Newton <davelnewton@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Honestly, if it comes down to it, I'm willing to throw some money
at
>>>>>> 99designs to get it done right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another issue I had was the really thin whitespace lines in the logo;
>>>>> that
>>>>>> can make some printing a bit trickier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because we all want t-shirts and tattoos, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, why not.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:42 AM, info@flyingfischer.ch <
>>>>> info@flyingfischer.ch
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Voltaire and Oswald seem to be condensed fonts, while Alegreya
Sans
>>> SC
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Alef and others aren't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I always feel typography is a very difficult job and needs to
be
>>> seen in
>>>>>>> the given case.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe the graphic guy could make some suggestions, choosing the
>>>>>>> appropriate kind of font for the situation?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Markus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 07.03.2014 12:08, schrieb Matthew Panetta:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I like Roboto and Inconsolata.  Also found Voltaire and Oswald.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:
>>>>>>>>
>>> Alegreya+Sans+SC|Viga|Audiowide|Carrois+Gothic+SC|Alef|Roboto|Nobile|
>>>>>>>> Inconsolata|Voltaire|Oswald<
>>>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:Alegreya+Sans+SC%7CViga%7CAudiowide%7CCarrois+Gothic+SC%7CAlef%7CRoboto%7CNobile%7CInconsolata%7CVoltaire%7COswald
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7 Mar 2014, at 6:05 pm, Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlenart@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe some of these
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:
>>>>>>>>> Alegreya+Sans+SC|Flamenco|Cambo|Esteban|Audiowide|
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> Carrois+Gothic+SC|Alef|Prosto+One|Varela+Round|Roboto|Nobile|Inconsolata<
>>>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:Alegreya+Sans+SC%7CFlamenco%7CCambo%7CEsteban%7CAudiowide%7CCarrois+Gothic+SC%7CAlef%7CProsto+One%7CVarela+Round%7CRoboto%7CNobile%7CInconsolata
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2014-03-07 7:47 GMT+01:00 Matthew Panetta <matthew@panetta.id.au>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My thoughts exactly. Needs a different font.
>>>>>>>>>> On 07/03/2014 5:41 pm, "info@flyingfischer.ch" <
>>>>> info@flyingfischer.ch>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Logo looks nice. Has a slight reference to the
art work of
>>> M.C.
>>>>>>>>>>> Escher. Great work.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Blue is always nice ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The typography however gives the whole logo a
not too modern
>>> touch,
>>>>>>>>>>> because it uses letters with serifs. I wonder
if this will match
>>>>> nicely
>>>>>>>>>>> with the serif free home page of struts 2?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Markus Fischer
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 07.03.2014 06:50, schrieb Lukasz Lenart:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Link if attachment is missing
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://copy.com/MXrnIYz8KajY
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-03-07 0:01 GMT+01:00 Chris Pratt <thechrispratt@gmail.com
>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I must have missed it, I don't see anything??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    (*Chris*)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Lukasz
Lenart <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lukaszlenart@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Work continues, 3rd version of logo,
wdyt? I think dark-blue
>>>>> version
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be also nice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013-11-26 8:59 GMT+01:00 Lukasz
Lenart <
>>> lukaszlenart@apache.org
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have passed your comment to designer
- anyway we have time
>>> and
>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can always start over when the
first logo won't be good
>>> enough
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reagrds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Łukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013/11/24 Rene Gielen <rene.gielen@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 20.11.13 14:52, schrieb Christian
Grobmeier:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 16:51,
Lukasz Lenart wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013/11/12 Cameron Morris
<cmorris@part.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I love the look of
steampunk and rickety old bridges, but
>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sends
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wrong message
for a project fighting the perception
>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legacy.  I'd say the more modern
looking the better.  However,
>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more modern bridges
look so space age it might be hard to
>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are bridges if they are made into
a small icon.  Perhaps some
>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might spark an idea: http://www.flickr.com/search/?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> q=modern%20bridge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm... you know everything
new someday will be old anyway
>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather say let's
focus on having cool logo and not the
>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sends ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 on the cool logo NOW
instead of wasting more time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its always funny with
us devs. We have a crap logo for
>>> years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somebody shows up and
contributes a fantastic logo
>>> (compared
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other one).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suddenly all devs become
designers and social media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communicators.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are right with our out-of-style
old logo, and that
>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change here. But why exactly
are we in such a hurry? Going
>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an old logo does not mean
that a new logo should replace the
>>>>> old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon as it is just "better".
IMHO we would want to replace
>>> it
>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something that satisfies
us for years. It should be cool and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catchy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and in five years. "Fantastic
compared to the other one" is
>>> IMO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough. Do we want old-time
users to be surprised to find
>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now, or do we want anyone
stumbling over our site or a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zeroturnaround
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> web frameworks survey to
think "hey man, nice logo!"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a social media designer,
and for that reason I need
>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a designer. I need inspiration
and suggestions to
>>>>> formulate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which directions to go for
the next iteration. Since I'm
>>> not a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm for sure too lame with
my own cool logo proposal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over all the years I was
involved with design tasks, I've
>>> seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerge after some iterations
in a process similar to what I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outlined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above. I have never ever
experienced being given a first
>>>>> proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes it directly to production.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally I am super-happy
that we have such a great
>>> proposal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if we don't have
another option (one of us devs IS a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designer AND
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does some work)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we should definitely
consider it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm super happy with
the work being done, and I like some
>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ideas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incorporated in the first
proposals. I like the fact that
>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up and is kind enough to
donate work and creativity, and I
>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> super
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thankful for that - and,
to be honest, it makes me bit shy
>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much criticism, especially
since it is not my profession
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work is all about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I went back and forth many
times the last two weeks to think
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> re-think if I like the logo,
how it might be seen, and what
>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> founded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> criticism I could give. In
my review I tried to both
>>>>> incorporate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a non-professional know
about design, as well as what I
>>> as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "professional design recipient"
(read: consumer) feel when I
>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some of my thoughts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most common to me seems a
combination of a dedicated logo
>>> icon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clean writing for the brand,
or just an elaborate writing
>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icon. From time to time you
see some font gimmickry to make
>>> a
>>>>> pure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writing recognizable. But
I have failed so far to come up
>>> with
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a iconified design building
a writing and a font design.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a look at those two
sites (scroll to bottom on both)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://devoxx.be/#/sponsors
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gopivotal.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There a good bunch of logos,
both of companies and open
>>> source
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that look cool, clean and
modern, yet timeless.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to follow newest
hipster logo trends,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://gruntjs.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might be a source for inspiration.
Nevertheless, this seems
>>> to
>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much on the timeless side...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That said and reviewed many
times during last week, I'm
>>> more in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> favor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the combination of an
icon symbol combined with with a
>>>>> clean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern typographic font for
the brand name Struts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stepping back a bit when
viewing the proposed designs, what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strikes me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most is that iconified graphic
elements are used to
>>> construct a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> font.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does this font look like?
It does not seem to follow
>>> all of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> established rules for font
design. If you color it
>>> completely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> black
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the outline and reduce it
to the font shape, it does not
>>> look
>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "clean" typography, even
a bit clunky. But besides (or even
>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graphical details and tasteful
colouring, the shape makes
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impression to a viewer. I
doubt that it is a good idea to
>>> bind
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> font
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shape of a writing to iconified
graphics as building
>>> blocks, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limits how elaborate the
typographic shape itself will look
>>>>> like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Designing a font is a science
by itself, you can find tons
>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information on the web. Just
for some reading giving an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impression:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://designshack.net/articles/typography/8-rules-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for-creating-effective-typography/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for me, this breaks down to:
I have tried to like it, but
>>> -
>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposed so far - I don't.
This is my honest personal view.
>>>>> And I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it is a great starting
point to go into design
>>>>> iteration. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teases me to think, it gives
the inspiration someone like me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagine and maybe phrase
what he thinks the final logo (or a
>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should look like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earlier in this discussion,
Dave came up with an interesting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search for an isolated logo
icon to maybe be combined with a
>>>>> clean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writing:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=steampunk+box+truss&safe=on&
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> espv=210&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HjuCUq3NCYrnsATbvYLIBQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1478&bih=1042#
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> es_sm=91&espv=210&q=box+truss&safe=off&tbm=isch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those two for example could be
excellent templates for an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iconified
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graphic:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=eQDpP6WpnMmoXM:&imgrefurl=
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> germanlightproducts.com/products/16-inch-square-box-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truss-f44/&docid=
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yGLxIpnpCserbM&imgurl=http://www.germanlightproducts.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wp-content/uploads/2013/01/F44Box_0.jpg&w=1024&h=768&ei=
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:73,s:0,i:305&
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=176&tbnw=236&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=155&ty=76
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=rGzeKbh__BY3LM:&imgrefurl=
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brownswelding.com.au/truss500/&docid=-uk8Vty_qJyznM&imgurl=
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.brownswelding.com.au/truss500/images/500box6way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jpg&w=200&h=200&ei=zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1&
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ved=1t:3588,r:78,s:0,i:320&iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=160&tbnw=
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 160&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=60&ty=50
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also a very reduced and iconified
bridge could be interesting
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suck badly at crafting
graphics, but if time permits I'll
>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to express my thoughts
in some graphical draft. But
>>>>> basically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overall thoughts go into
a direction like the Typesafe or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hazelcast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logos.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I understood it, this
contribution is backed by
>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company. I am very grateful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the huge effort they
already put into this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of discussing completely
new approaches and ideas
>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lead to even more discussion,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we all should answer
these two question:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Can you live with
the proposal logo?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just me: actually no, but
it's a great start :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) If yes, do you prefer
the dark or the bright version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My answer to 1) is YES!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My answer to 2) I LOVE
BOTH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Łukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122
http://www.lenart.org.pl/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> b: Bucky Bits <http://buckybits.blogspot.com/>
>>>>>> g: davelnewton <https://github.com/davelnewton>
>>>>>> so: Dave Newton <http://stackoverflow.com/users/438992/dave-newton>
>>>>>
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