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From Martin Cooper <>
Subject Re: Using fluido once available
Date Sun, 02 Dec 2012 23:41:53 GMT
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Rene Gielen <> wrote:

> Am 28.11.12 06:14, schrieb Martin Cooper:
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Johannes Geppert <>
> wrote:
> >
> >> It looks there is a broad agreement related to the projects links and
> the
> >> Roadmap FAQ.
> >> So i have dropped it from the site.
> >>
> >> Also I have added a Facebook and G+ Integration beside the Twitter
> >> Integration.
> >> Looks like this is our current News Section. ;-)
> >>
> >
> > Why are we supporting commercial enterprises from our site? As a 501(c)3
> > organisation, are we allowed to do that?
> >
> We have an "official" Twitter account - @TheApacheStruts - which we use
> to spread news about Struts and to interact with our community. Just
> like @TheASF, @TheApacheTomcat or @ApacheJames.
> On Facebook, there is as well a page voluntarily maintained by Struts
> PMC members, called "Struts2 Users. Objective: spreading and dispatching
> news, interacting with the community. Currently 1400+ "likes" aka
> followers. See:
> On G+, there is again an page voluntarily maintained by Struts PMC
> members, called "Apache Struts". Objective: spreading and dispatching
> news, interacting with the community. Currently more than 3700 people
> are following. See:
> See also on G+: "Apache Software Foundation", "Apache TomEE"
> The idea is to link this pages to our site just like we did with the
> twitter account in the branch (and other Apache projects do as well on
> their front page).
> So how is this "supporting commercial enterprises"? One could argue that
> we are using (free) services of commercial companies, yes. We do that
> all the time at Apache. I fail to see how this is promoting Twitter,
> Google or Facebook as companies.

If 100 other companies came along and asked us to put links to their sites
on our site, would we do it? If not, why not? Would we be selective, or add
anyone who asked? If the former, what are the criteria? Why isn't LinkedIn
in the same group as the "special three" we've chosen to advertise?

> Ironically, the latter two are getting
> prominent ASF support since they are platinum sponsors:

Sponsorship does *not* buy favours. That's very explicit. And that is also
why there is a specific, foundation-central, and non-project-specific
"thank you" page.

> Linking to Struts related resources on Twitter, G+ or Facebook is as
> much of a support for commercial enterprises as linking to Struts
> Sourceforge is or Struts GitHub would be - free community resources
> offered and hosted free of charge by a commercial enterprise like
> SourceForge and GitHub.

Once we've checked with our legal people, and this usage has been approved
by them, I'll be fine with it. Until then, I'm very conscious that the ASF
is legally a charity, and is subject to losing that status if we don't
abide by the rules. So I would rather ask the question and get the official
answer than discover that we were responsible for the ASF losing its status
over an assumption we made.

Martin Cooper

- René
> > --
> > Martin Cooper
> >
> >
> > [...]
> --
> René Gielen
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