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From Johannes Geppert <jo...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Using fluido once available
Date Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:55:57 GMT
It looks there is a broad agreement related to the projects links and the
Roadmap FAQ.
So i have dropped it from the site.

Also I have added a Facebook and G+ Integration beside the Twitter
Integration.
Looks like this is our current News Section. ;-)

On the bottom of our Welcome Page are some Books like "Starting with
Struts2" linked.
But this Links returns only a blank page to me. Does anybody know the right
Link?

Johannes

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2012/11/27 Rene Gielen-2 [via Struts] <
ml-node+s1045723n5711187h81@n5.nabble.com>

> Am 26.11.12 22:41, schrieb Martin Cooper:
>
> > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Lukasz Lenart <[hidden email]<http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5711187&i=0>>wrote:
>
> >
> >> 2012/11/25 Johannes Geppert <[hidden email]<http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5711187&i=1>>:
>
> >>> What others think about shrinking a little bit the menu and some
> Content?
> >>
> >> +1 :-)
> >>
> >
> > Depends on what you mean by "shrink". We have people (e.g. Link, very
> > recently) who don't seem to be able to find stuff on our menu, so making
> it
> > smaller will not help at all. On the other hand, reducing the number of
> > items would undoubtedly help.
> >
> >
>
> I have to admit that the sheer amount of information both in the main
> menu and certain pages is what it makes hard for me to find something -
> even given that I'm involved with the site for some years now. While
> e.g. it is educative to hear about mailing list policies first, the
> actual information how to subscribe is buried under piles of letters ...
> and most of nowadays users seem to have an attention span not lasting
> longer than three paragraphs before they give up reading. At least the
> mailing list moderation experience seems to indicate that.
>
> Basically I think that careful reduction and hierarchical organization
> of information helps to succeed getting our messages between our site
> reader's ears.
>
> That said, reducing the main menu would be good first step in my opinion.
>
>
> >>
> >>> 1.) The "Roadmap FAQ" is really outdated!
> >>> We can update it, delete it or reference it to the current Struts3
> Wiki
> >> Page
> >>
> >> I think we can remove that page, even if we plan S3 there is not too
> >> much to write - Struts 2 done better :-)
> >>
> >
> > A roadmap can be very useful, but it needs people committed to
> maintaining
> > it. I think Ted was probably the only one who did this for an extended
> > period. We should just remove it if we don't have something useful to
> say.
> >
> >
>
> +1 - unless there is valid maintained content, we should remove the
> roadmap FAQ. If at a later point we want to add up to date roadmap
> information again, we might consider to call it simply "Roadmap" rather
> than "Roadmap FAQ".
>
> >>
> >>> 2.) What is the mining of the "Project Minutes" ? Last update is from
> >> 2008!
> >>
> >> I think it would be nice to put here Reports to the ASF Board which
> >> Rene prepares, it's important to see what's going on with the project,
> >> thus will overtake Roadmap FAQ
> >>
> >
> > The board minutes are a matter of public record, and are always
> published.
> > See:
> >
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html
> >
> > It's not easy to find the Struts reports in that (e.g. you need to know
> our
> > schedule), so I'd be okay with re-publishing, if we think we'll keep it
> up
> > to date. But we should copy from the board minutes, rather than our
> list,
> > to be sure we capture accurately what the board accepted.
> >
> >
>
> I'm not sure if the board level reports - in this particular form - are
> of widespread interest, neither do they replace well maintained news
> content. Given that we had to implement a solution to automatically
> extract the content from the approved reports, as Martin stated, I
> wonder if this is worth the effort. A news section with targeted
> information bits might be a more relevant way to go, as long at it is
> well maintained.
>
> E.g., I could imagine snippets like
> - Struts Users Facebook Site hits 1.000.000 likes
> - Struts Downloads peeked with the release of 4.0.1
> - Externally maintained Struts 2 BootQueryNateStrap-Plugin version 9.8.7
> released
> - Appfuse 20.12 now with Struts2 LiquidDiamondAngular Theme support baked
> in
> - ApacheCon NA 2015 to feature five Struts 4 talks
> - John Doe has written an interesting blog post on Configuration over
> Convention in Struts 4
>
> As for the noteworthy stuff assembled into the quarterly board report, I
> could volunteer to add a rehash-and-update-site workflow at around the
> time the report is submitted. But I think more voluntary help would be
> needed to keep such a news stream relevant.
>
> If we go for adding approved board reports, the Development->Minutes
> section would have to be filled with life again. If not, we should
> consider removing it.
>
> >>
> >>> 3.) Maybe we can create on Page for the Related and Similar Projects?
> >>> This would make the Menu much more cleaner.
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >
> > Frankly, I think we should drop related and similar projects. There is
> no
> > meaningful determination of what does, or does not, make it into either
> > list.
> >
>
> +1 as well - besides, the linked Apache projects seems to have nothing
> alike any more (at least Wicket / Tapestry last time I checked).
>
> I'd vote to drop
> - Related Projects
> - Similar Projects
> - Java 5 for Struts 1 (Strecks)
>
> >
> >>
> >>> 4.) The Link to "Our Blogs" looks also really outdated! Last Entry is
> >> from
> >>> 2008.
> >>> http://people.apache.org/~rubys/planet/struts/
> >>
> >> We can add few new, like your :-)
> >>
> >
> > That planet link is long-obsolete. See instead:
> >
> > http://blogs.apache.org/
> >
> >
>
> Since there isn't too much going on regarding Struts even at blogs.a.o,
> I'm in favor for dropping the "Our Blogs" link.
>
> >>
> >>> 5.) Is the Struts Sourceforge active? Never heard about it.
> >>> http://struts.sourceforge.net/
> >>
> >> I've been using it some times ago, but not any more but I think it
> >> should stay :-)
> >>
> >
> > Yeah, it should stay. It's where we can point non-committers to check in
> > Struts-related code, if they so wish.
> >
>
> Hmm - diving a bit into http://struts.sourceforge.net/, frankly it looks
> like a zombie to me. All Getting Involved -> Repository links (CVS) I
> tried were broken. Is there any recent activity? Wouldn't it be better
> to link https://github.com/apache/struts2 instead? It should at least be
> linked in addition.
>
> Additional thoughts:
> - we should not only incorporate the twitter button but also G+ and
> Facebook buttons pointing to the respective Struts pages.
> - Development->Source Code and Development->Source Repository should be
> merged
> - dropping pages does not necessarily mean removing them - as for
> historic reference (and bookmarks), those pages might still be deployed
> but no longer referenced from the menu
>
> > --
> > Martin Cooper
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> --
> >> Łukasz
> >> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/
> >>
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>
> --
> René Gielen
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