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From "Musachy Barroso" <musa...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Concerned Strutszien: A Manifesto
Date Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:44:40 GMT
>
>
> * OGNL - Is is staying? Is it going? Can it be secure? Is it fast enough?
>

Params interceptor was the biggest security problem and it has been patched.
It MVEL gets integrated then it will get interesting.


>
> * Convention - Buzz factor to me, but buzz none the less.  I type pretty
> fast.


It is coming, we need to get 2.1 out and I need to rewrite some ugly patch I
wrote for multiple unknown handlers.


>
> * REST - Great way to organize web based applications


Nobody is working on this right?


>
> * Model and Service Layer - We know Struts2 is a web framework and its good
> at it.  So there is Appfuse and that is something I have worked on.
> Stripping down Appfuse and hopefully making some kind of Groovy-based
> Model,
> Service, Action, View generator.  More on that here:
>
> http://www.nabble.com/RE%3A-Getting-ready-for-Struts-2.1.1-td17446803s2369.html#a17461105
> .
> I think the plan is good, but I haven't done as much as I need to yet
>

My poor man's version of it: http://code.google.com/p/strutson/ . I use it
for new projects and it kind of works.


>
> * AJAX - Never been a fan of the Dojo tags -- DWR?
>  Prototype/Scriptaculous?
> JQuery?  I used proto and scriptac for a while but I have moved to JQuery
> recently.
>

kill -9 DojoPlugin


>
> * Stable and public API to keep backward compatibility


Stale


>
> * Portlets are still first class citizens?


I am no a user of them myself, but I see Nils answering questions and fixing
bugs, so I think they still are.


>
> How do we tackle all this?  Do we have a meeting?  Do we create a Chief who
> can make decisions for better or for worse?  Clearly decisions need to be
> made.  Do we start StrutsCon 2009 and lock everyone in a room until the
> decisions are made?  I started to also write apps in Rails and I promised
> myself I would learn Grails to stay current, but judging from Phillip's
> session at JavaOne and the traffic on the mailing list there is still A LOT
> of interest in S2.  Ideas?  Volunteers?  Beueller?
>

These are my 2 pesos on what the problem is. As I have seen so far, all
these things get sorted out as people pick up things that they are
interested in, but, in order to move we need builds/releases and we need
them often. Without build, changes go to trunk and stay there for a long
time (sometimes, years) without getting released, and either the people
working on them lose interest, or the discussions get stale. In short: we
need people to roll releases often. As I type this my conscience is
screaming at me: "why haven't you done it? you could do it instead of asking
for it, shame on you" :)

musachy

-- 
"Hey you! Would you help me to carry the stone?" Pink Floyd

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