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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:35:08 -0400
From: "Joe Hudson" <joehud@gmail.com>
To: "Struts Developers List" <dev@struts.apache.org>
Subject: Re: If your evaluating new template engines, what about ZipScript
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References: <c50136680807311533k6c45063r2961d4055b67285c@mail.gmail.com>
	 <48929F62.6020307@alsutton.com>
	 <8b3ce3790808010320t3eca5912sf0044a644ff5a38@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for taking the time to evaluate zipscript.

This is not currently being used in any real world apps because it is
new.  That is certainly a valid concern.  It is kind of a catch 22
because how can you ever be used in a real world app if people only
want an engine that is being used in a real world app?

Anyway, I'd like to address my assumption of your main concerns
regarding real world app usage:

1) Is it reliable?
All of the functionality is unit tested before a release is performed
and there are many unit tests which can be seen here:
- Unit Tests: http://code.google.com/p/zipscript/source/browse/#svn/trunk/core/src/main/test/test/hudson/zipscript
- Referenced Templates and Results:
http://code.google.com/p/zipscript/source/browse/#svn/trunk/core/src/main/test/templates

2) How does it perform?
There is a unit test that merges a template consisting of multiple
macro references (called PerformanceTest)
     http://code.google.com/p/zipscript/source/browse/trunk/core/src/main/test/test/hudson/zipscript/PerformanceTestCase.java
This test, when performed on my laptop, can perform 1000 merges in
about 1 second.


As to the other issues of porting to other languages.  That isn't
currently in the plan now but certainly would be something on the
plate if this language got a foothold.

Joe


On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 6:20 AM, Ted Husted <husted@apache.org> wrote:
> For me, it's the "real world apps", *plus* the interest in porting GXP
> to other platforms, like C++, and Ruby. Personally, I'd like to add C#
> to that list. ASPX, like JSF, has its charms, but many .NET developers
> (including me) would like alternatives.
>
> I do find the zipscript YUI examples interesting, since we are also
> looking for an alternative approach to supporting Ajax with the Struts
> tags.
>
> -Ted.
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:30 AM, Al Sutton <al.sutton@alsutton.com> wrote:
>> Joe,
>>
>> My main reason for backing GXP is that it's been used in high volume "real
>> world" apps by Google and so has been proven to scale.
>>
>> Does ZipScript have the same real world testing, and if so where is it used?
>>
>> Al.
>>
>>
>> Joe Hudson wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> With all the talk about GXP, I wanted to let you know about another
>>> template engine called ZipScript (zipscript.org).
>>>
>>> Ok, you're probably saying... another one??? but this has some
>>> distinct advantages and I would love for you to give it a try - I
>>> really think you'll be happy you did.
>>>
>>> 1) it can be used to create complex UI components
>>> 2) it has a powerful non XML-based syntax (which is helpful since the
>>> most common output is XML)
>>> 3) it can also be used to get more than just text from expressions
>>> (like booleans or objects) - great for having smarter config
>>> properties
>>>
>>>
>>> Here are some quick links:
>>> - homepage:
>>>         http://zipscript.googlecode.com
>>> - Yahoo! UI macro examples:
>>>         http://code.google.com/p/zipscript/wiki/YUIMacros
>>> - Language Syntax Examples
>>>         http://code.google.com/p/zipscript/wiki/SyntaxExamples
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Joe Hudson
>
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