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From "Bob Tiernay" <btier...@hotmail.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Deprecate or remove Dojo plugin
Date Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:44:13 GMT
Has anyone really looked into a comparison between using a taglib vs. a raw 
javascript framework across these dimensions:

1. Performance (page load time / bandwidth) (think s:head across most pages)
2. Expressiveness
3. Unobtrusiveness
4. Maintainability
5. Understandability
6. Modularity

My experience has been that all of these are enhanced when using the later. 
I really don't see why even a taglib is even on the table.  Perhaps I'm 
missing something here, but what is to be gained by unifying javascript 
libraries with a taglib fa├žade? This smells of commons logging.

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From: "Martin Cooper" <martinc@apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:36 PM
To: "Struts Developers List" <dev@struts.apache.org>
Cc: <newton.dave@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Deprecate or remove Dojo plugin

> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Ted Husted <husted@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Dojo seems to get the most lip service, but I've seen persistence
>> reports that YUI has broader acceptance.
>
>
> The thing is, it depends a whole lot on what you are doing with it.
>
> For example, the people I know who are developing rich client-side apps 
> with
> JavaScript are using Ext JS or Dojo. None of them are using YUI because 
> YUI
> simply isn't appropriate, or complete enough, for that kind of usage. It's
> perfectly fine, though, if what you want is to add some AJAXy capabilities
> to a more traditional web app.
>
> As another example, there are certainly plenty of people building point
> applications with Prototype and its friends, but if you're building
> something that needs to be extensible and include components from 
> elsewhere,
> you almost certainly don't want to be using a framework that messes with
> core JavaScript types.
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
>
>
>>
>> -Ted.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Dave Newton <newton.dave@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> > --- On Tue, 7/22/08, Paul Benedict <pbenedict@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> Isn't Dojo the defacto ajax standard on the web?
>> >
>> > In terms of deployments I'd put money on Prototype and/or jQuery. Not
>> that it's a large sample size, but I don't know *anybody* using Dojo 
>> outside
>> of S2.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> >
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>>
>>
>> --
>> HTH, Ted
>> http://husted.com/ted/blog/
>>
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