Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-struts-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 8872 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 09:25:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 09:25:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 26271 invoked by uid 500); 15 Jan 2008 09:25:04 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-struts-dev-archive@struts.apache.org Received: (qmail 26239 invoked by uid 500); 15 Jan 2008 09:25:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@struts.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Struts Developers List" Reply-To: "Struts Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list dev@struts.apache.org Received: (qmail 26228 invoked by uid 99); 15 Jan 2008 09:25:04 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:25:04 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.2 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [212.227.126.174] (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.174) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:24:38 +0000 Received: from AlsQ6600 ([217.171.129.65]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwh2-1JEi2C0Zml-0005uU; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:24:42 +0100 Message-ID: <00DCDFA9DD134C379429B07466864AC4@AlsQ6600> From: "Al Sutton" To: "Struts Developers List" References: <8b3ce3790801141725p3050ec87i411dc1195ba63080@mail.gmail.com> <4D36AC15C3784B42B6A77D2A4E05A58C@AlsQ6600> <408006A9BDB4400BA56281A5CF3E2AA9@AlsQ6600> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [VOTE] Should voting +1 on a release imply that the vote intends to help support the release? Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:24:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/ag27j0vq/uFLODe+SObCMf+4TfW3L/S6gNmh 4C8ntE9Ow/KIxal+usri9/mmb543tT7qKm2tozvRsg74eJIkh0 6JWMciFuIh5LCuNtxKVONv245XGRrWd/xw5uwMNTOM= X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Following your argument, if you only +1 releases which are going to be supported, yet you don't know if any release will be supported, surely you can only +1 releases you are willing to support? I think the obligation is at the time of the vote and not a moral obligation until death. You have an obligation to vote for a release if you, at the time, intend to help support it in the wild, otherwise you're basically saying "let it out, and let some other sucker handle the fall out". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antonio Petrelli" To: "Struts Developers List" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [VOTE] Should voting +1 on a release imply that the vote intends to help support the release? > 2008/1/15, Al Sutton : >> >> So if you wouldn't +1 for a release with no support, then what do you do >> to >> ensure support is available before +1ing? > > > > Nothing: in real world, how do you ensure that a volunteer entity works? > Trust, belief that the volunteers are good people, and other beautiful > things. After all, as committers, we all have been invited after > supporting > the community, so we all are *good* people :-) > We are not obliged to work on Struts, we can go away at any time, and we > have not deadlines. So, the *forced obligation* of support seems like a > nonsense to me. > > Antonio > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@struts.apache.org