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From Ian Roughley <...@fdar.com>
Subject Re: [proposal] Tag reorganization
Date Mon, 01 Jan 2007 22:19:52 GMT
Yeah, but given the problems that most people have at some stage of 
debugging with the tags, I thought there would be more traffic ;-)

/Ian



Mitchell James wrote:
> That's the wonderful or terrible thing about successful OSS projects, 
> you are kidding yourself if you think even 5% of the users are even on 
> a mailing list, much less that they will read every post.
>
>
> -- 
> James Mitchell
> 678.910.8017
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 29, 2006, at 8:09 AM, Ian Roughley wrote:
>
>> If we go the <dojo:select ... /> from <s:select theme="ajax" ... /> 
>> route, then it should be a simple global find and replace.
>>
>> I am surprised at such a large use of the tags though.  I've asked 
>> more than a couple of times if anyone was using them, and there was 
>> never a response.
>>
>> /Ian
>>
>>
>>
>> Shekhar Yadav wrote:
>>> We are using 2.0.1 and we are using form/div with ajax based theme. Is
>>> it going to be major problem for us to migrate to new tags. If so what
>>> are you recommendations, we are in process of building and only half 
>>> way
>>> through. I don't want to create 250 screens with tags that are going to
>>> be outdated by the time we release the app.
>>>
>>> - Shekhar
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ian Roughley [mailto:ian@fdar.com] Sent: Thursday, December 
>>> 28, 2006 7:36 AM
>>> To: Struts Developers List
>>> Subject: Re: [proposal] Tag reorganization
>>>
>>> I'm torn - I like the fact that we are getting the ajax code out of 
>>> the base, but especially for webwork->s2 upgrades there is going to 
>>> be more work.  The other thing is that 2.0.2 is still beta, and 
>>> frankly I don't think there is that many people using the tags at 
>>> the moment, so this would be a good time to make the change.
>>>
>>> /Ian
>>>
>>>
>>> David H. DeWolf wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's what I'm imagining too. . .and we're agreeing that this 
>>>> incompatibility is a pill we have to swallow.
>>>>
>>>> Ian Roughley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think I am missing something here - how will the tags be 
>>>>> invoked?  It will need to be a new tld with a new name space, 
>>>>> right?  Something
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> like <dojo:select ... /> rather than <s:select theme="ajax"
... /> 
>>>>> - so there will be a compatibility issue, but all the 
>>>>> functionality will be moved forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> /Ian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> David H. DeWolf wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ted Husted wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don mentioned a separate tag library, so that would indicate
>>>>>>>
>>> another
>>>
>>>>>>> prefix, but there'd be no reason why the internal tag syntax
would
>>>>>>> change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To keep the codebase manageable, I believe we do need to make
this
>>>>>>> change, and I'd rather make it now while we are in our first
beta
>>>>>>> series than after the first Struts 2 GA. The plugin model might
>>>>>>>
>>> also
>>>
>>>>>>> open the door to other AJAX implementations of the same tags.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree.  I like it, but just wanted to make sure we think 
>>>>>> through the compatibility changes before we make a decision.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In essence we're saying that this change is more important than 
>>>>>> backwards compat of this one tag and we're willing to live with 
>>>>>> those repercussions.   I'm on board with that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -T.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/27/06, David H. DeWolf <ddewolf@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok, as long as we keep the tag prefixes and tag names once
they
>>>>>>>>
>>> are
>>>
>>>>>>>> abstracted from the plugin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At one point we talked about having a simple version which
is 
>>>>>>>> extended
>>>>>>>> by the dojo version and added additional (dojo-specific)

>>>>>>>> featuers.  It
>>>>>>>> seems like the current names would be more likely be used
for 
>>>>>>>> the core
>>>>>>>> tags - not the dojo-enhanced ones.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ted Husted wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A struts-dojo plugin shouldn't change the tag syntax.
It should
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> be a matter of adding the JAR, as we do for Spring, and
>>>>>>>> JasperReports,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and Tiles, so forth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/27/06, David H. DeWolf <ddewolf@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope, that's the one I'm talking about.  I got the
impression
>>>>>>>> we were
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> going to keep it as is and thus break backwards compatibility
>>>>>>>> in 2.0.2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -- and then mess with it again it when we create
the plugin. .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>
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