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From "Martin Cooper" <>
Subject Re: [tiles2] Tiles TLP and Dimensions incubation
Date Fri, 01 Dec 2006 15:35:28 GMT
On 12/1/06, Antonio Petrelli <> wrote:
> Craig McClanahan ha scritto:
> > The Dimensions code is going to have to go through
> > the Incubator -- even though its likely that this can go very quickly,
> > there
> > is no reason to mess up the progress of the Tiles TLP proposal by
> > trying to
> > do them together.
> Hi Craig, when I wrote "at the same time" I did not mean "together".
> Since probably Dimensions will become a subproject of Tiles TLP

I know this has been said by others before, but let me make it very clear:
The ASF board does not like "umbrella" projects at all, and would most
likely not approve Tiles as a TLP if it "smelled" of forthcoming
sub-projects before it even got off the ground.

The reason that some people do not want Tiles to live on as a sub-project
within Struts is one of the same reasons that Shale went out on its own;
sub-projects are a sign that a project is moving in the wrong direction;
that is, in a direction that is not favoured by the ASF Board, and for good
reasons. Struts has been moving, and continues to move, in a direction that
eliminates the notion of sub-projects, the only exception being the two
versions of the Struts framework itself.

If Dimensions would ultimately be merged into Tiles, that is one thing, and
that might be fine. If, however, you are thinking that Dimensions would live
as a "similar concept but separate framework" to Tiles, but within the same
TLP, that is quite another thing, and not something I would like to see, not
to mention the ASF Board.

So, in short, we should purge the notion of sub-projecs from our minds,
whichever top-level project we are thinking of, and work on the basis that
they should not exist.

Martin Cooper

, I
> thought that probably it was appropriate to wait until it is estabilished.
> I read this:
> <snip>
> A Sponsor SHALL be either:
> * the Board of the Apache Software Foundation;
> * a Top Level Project (TLP) within the Apache Software Foundation (where
> the TLP considers the Candidate to be a suitable sub-project); or
> * the Incubator PMC.
> </snip>
> Antonio
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