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From "Dakota Jack" <dakota.j...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Does Struts really need two frameworks? (long)
Date Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:04:27 GMT
These are not "camps" of a framework but competing frameworks.  That is the
bottom line.  Struts is dying and you guys, Gary, are killing it.  Why not
man up and get your own space and try to survive on your own?

On 6/21/06, Gary VanMatre <gvanmatre@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >From: "Ted Husted" <ted.husted@gmail.com>
> >
> > On 6/21/06, Don Brown wrote:
> > > Again, Struts Action and Struts Shale would both retain their separate
> > projects,
> > > codebases, and release cycles. Struts 2.0 is about building something
> on top
> > of
> > > our Struts efforts to create a unified front to users. Users don't
> care about
> > > all the little projects, subprojects, and libraries we have; I think
> they just
> > > want something to help them build webapps - they want Struts 2.0. And
> as a
> > > committer, PMC member and Struts user, I want it too.
> >
> > Wearing my PMC hat, I'd be surprised if that approach would well serve
> > the Shale community. You can dress it up anyway you want, but in the
> > end, this approach will have the effect of demoting Shale to an
> > appendage of SAF, rather than a framework in its own right.
> >
> > We like to chatter about what's best for Struts, or what Struts is,
> > but I think the key question is what's Shale, and what's best for
> > Shale? I remain concerned that, after two years on a greenfield, there
> > has not been a GA release of Shale. I have to wonder if keeping Shale
> > here is stunting the community's growth.
> >
> > We've heard from Craig, but in order to make any kind of decision, I'd
> > have to know how the other people working on Shale feel.
> >
>
> I think we could use some more Shale recruiters but I don't necessarily
> think
> that is because of lacking community support. I can think of several
> people
> that I feel have been worthy contributors but we have been very
> conservative.
> The SAF camp has recently been very active in recruiting anyone showing
> interest.
>
> I don't have a strong opinion either way. I remember someone saying that
> they have
> precious little time and I sympathize. Making this happen is really a team
> effort and
> you have to pick your battles. Even though I have not made the time to
> evaluate the
> latest in the action camp, I truly enjoy the exchange of ideas.
>
> If we continue to share a single community, I don't think that it is wise
> to force both
> camps into a single shoe box. On occasion we might want to get funky
> mixing styles
> but most like to play it safe, after all, it's about the right context.
>
> Gary
>
> > -Ted.
> >
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-- 
"You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back."
~Dakota Jack~

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