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From "Nathan Bubna" <>
Subject Re: Proposal for change
Date Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:57:56 GMT
On 4/25/06, Frank W. Zammetti <> wrote:
> On Tue, April 25, 2006 3:10 pm, Martin Cooper said:
> >> This is where I'm not sure I agree... why can you only have a stake in
> >> the
> >> code, or in the community even, if you are a committer?  And certainly
> >> the
> >> "community" is often touted as the most important part of any ASF
> >> project... it's just that "community" in that context means the
> >> committers
> >> only, which is where I disagree with the Apache Way I guess.
> >
> >
> > No, that's not correct. The community is, as you put it earlier, "anyone
> > who
> > has an active interest in how the project develops". So you actually agree
> > with the Apache Way. ;-)
> If your saying that the "community" is not only composed of committers,
> PMC members, etc., then yes, I do agree :)

and of course, i sent me email before reading these because the thread
is moving so fast.

ugh, defining words can be such a pain. :)  for the record, when i use
"community == them that do the work" in my email, i am referring to
those who make the decisions.  this is pretty much the committers and
contributors (note again that contributors != patch submitters).  of
course, there is the broader sense of community that includes those
who have an interest in the development of a project, but in the
Apache Way, their opinions are not binding.  oh, and i realized that
calling them "irrelevant politics" was totally wrong since the
"decision making community" does care about the opinions of the
broader "interested-in-development community" and even the "user
community".   committers and contributors are not at all immune to
ego-stroking and the politics that accompany it.  instead of
"irrelevant politics", i ought to have just said "politics".  ;-)

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