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From "Martin Cooper" <mart...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Proposal for change
Date Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:14:48 GMT
On 4/25/06, Dakota Jack <dakota.jack@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here is a case in point:  I count four (4) posts to the dev list in Greg
> Reddin's history.


Pity you can't count.

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?w=2&r=1&s=greg.reddin&q=a

--
Martin Cooper


  He is a committer.  On the user list there is also
> virtually nothing.  What stands out is that he was interested in a couple
> of
> posts in Shale.  What is the possible reason he is a committer and Frank
> is
> not?  Is this the Way Different Struts-Apache Way.  This is crazy!  Do
> people actually believe Ted and Craig?
>
> On 4/25/06, Greg Reddin <greddin@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 25, 2006, at 9:55 AM, Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
> >
> > > That depends entirely on your meaning of the word "closed".  You
> > > make the
> > > argument that the number of new committers means it isn't closed,
> > > and I
> > > agree with you to a degree.  But that's not the only meaning of
> > > "closed"... the invitations to those people came *soley* from the PMC
> > > AFAIK... the community had no say in it.  That's the thing my proposal
> > > seeks to address, that the initiation of someone being invited doesn't
> > > necessarily have to come from those already there (although they would
> > > still have the final say-so).
> >
> > I have some serious concerns about this.  Let me just use myself as
> > an example.  I've been a committer for about 6 months or so.  I have
> > absolutely no idea what sort of discussion took place before I
> > received that invitation.  If there was someone among the PMC who was
> > vehemently opposed to my nomination I'm glad they had a confidential
> > forum in which to discuss their concerns.  Now that I am a committer
> > I can have an unbiased conversation with anybody else in the group
> > without any preconceived notion of what that individual's opinion of
> > me might be.  Truly, I don't have confidence that either user@ or
> > dev@ is a place where concerns can be expressed openly without fear
> > of unprofessional response.  It's just too easy for this kind of
> > discussion to turn into personal attacks in a forum such as user@ or
> > even dev@.
> >
> > When Struts was a Jakarta subproject I remember committer votes
> > taking place on dev@.  I always felt just a little uneasy about it.
> > 99 times out of 100 it was a unanimous +1 with no discussion.  But I
> > seem to recall at least one case when concerns were expressed (sorry,
> > I don't remember the specifics, please correct me if I'm wrong).  I
> > feel really bad that this person's personal merit would have to be
> > discussed in a public forum.  I understand some others' concerns
> > about the community appearing to be closed, but I think there should
> > be a barrier to entry.  Maybe it's too high, but it seems to me that
> > it should exist.  After all it's basically a lifetime appointment and
> > revocations are very rare if one has ever happened at all.
> >
> > Greg
> >
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>
> --
> "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back."
> ~Dakota Jack~
>
>

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