Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-struts-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 45659 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2006 18:48:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 25 Mar 2006 18:48:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 87120 invoked by uid 500); 25 Mar 2006 18:48:38 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-struts-dev-archive@struts.apache.org Received: (qmail 87085 invoked by uid 500); 25 Mar 2006 18:48:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@struts.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Struts Developers List" Reply-To: "Struts Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list dev@struts.apache.org Received: (qmail 87074 invoked by uid 99); 25 Mar 2006 18:48:37 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:48:37 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: domain of jak-struts-dev@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.229.2 as permitted sender) Received: from [80.91.229.2] (HELO ciao.gmane.org) (80.91.229.2) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:48:37 -0800 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1FNDng-0005V2-Uk for dev@struts.apache.org; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:47:48 +0100 Received: from 110.red-81-38-254.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.38.254.110]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:47:48 +0100 Received: from revusky by 110.red-81-38-254.dynamicip.rima-tde.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:47:48 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: dev@struts.apache.org From: Jonathan Revusky Subject: Re: WebWork renaming strategy *revised* Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:46:59 +0100 Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: <20060325164046.50921.qmail@web32603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8b3ce3790603250955m5c061052h1ffe263d17d241fe@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 110.red-81-38-254.dynamicip.rima-tde.net User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <8b3ce3790603250955m5c061052h1ffe263d17d241fe@mail.gmail.com> Sender: news X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Ted Husted wrote: > On 3/25/06, Paul Benedict wrote: > >>Isn't the purpose of this to excise the webwork name? I thought >>it was. Why else would you want to become "Struts 2.0" if not >>for the name? I don't see this renaming as a slam against the heritage, >>but this entire process doesn't make any sense unless you're specficially >>wanting to be rebranded as Struts. >>-- Paul > > > From a historical perspective, it might be worthwile to note that the > process begin with a post that Patrick Lightbody made to the "Java Web > Alignment Group", in which Patrick said that he would like to see > WebWork "join forces" with another project. Don and I followed up with > Patrick and Jason. Our initial discussions are archived here: > > * http://opensource2.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/STRUTS2/Home > > Whlie we were having these discussions, several other developers > became active within WebWork and also became WW committers. To > include these people in the process, we broadened the incubator > proposal and asked the other WW committers if they wanted to sign on. > > * http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@struts.apache.org/msg17308.html > > Everyone choose to do so, and here we are. > > -Ted. Ted, none of what you say or link above provides a rationale for removing the string "webwork" from all package names. If this sets well with the Webwork people, then I guess it really is their business. But I have been trying to imagine (obviously counterfactually) a situation where we would give FreeMarker to ASF -- and the very first thing done in the code is to excise the string "freemarker" from every last place, including n levels deep in package hierarchies. You know, there has been a community that has existed for years. You had people who donated code, who partook in discussions of new features, submitted bug reports. Anybody who donated to the project in any given way could feel a sense that they contributed in some way to this. Why not leave a bit of the heritage of the product history there in the package naming convention at least? I think that's more fair to all the people who extended themselves -- however minimally -- to bring this body of work up to its current point. You leave something there that allows people to see that this is something that they (however minimally in some cases) contributed to. A lot of people put work into this and I think it would be better to show some respect for the history of this project that you are basically getting dropped in your lap. Jonathan Revusky -- lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/ FreeMarker group blog, http://freemarker.blogspot.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@struts.apache.org