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Subject [Struts Wiki] Update of "ongoing text" by MichaelJouravlev
Date Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:42:51 GMT
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- [  What could be the problem with our encounter on a text?
- It could be too fix; it could be exactly what we don’t want our project to become. Let’s
avoid the division in Concept and Process and let’s edit it as a wave of thoughts between
you and me. We already have so much in our interstice. Let’s just show it as a flux or a
- That’s the only way not to loose all the precious inputs we gave the project. We arrived
from different ways and keep the diversity in order to enrich the organic structure and make
our reciprocal activation not a simply death end.
- Let’s edit a text divided just by spaces and let’s forget the titles. Let’s edit a
text that progress in all the interesting direction that we have already activated.
- The text is an object and the medium of writing has implications on how we think and on
how ideas are produced. In order to this the text is one of the objects produced but not the
only or final one. In order to develop what and how we think we have to find different approaches
to every point we make. In this case the text is an ongoing dialogue, it is a process that
not only goes forwards but also backwards, to the left and to the right, up and down and somewhere
else. There will be questions and some answers, but also not fully expressed ideas. These
aspects can continually be rewritten, completed or even erased. ]
- [  I’m writing on confusion as a higher level of sensibility, Edward Lorenz and the Butterfly
Effect  ]
- [  There is a postcard with a still from the Wim Wender’s movie Alice in the Cities. On
an unclear scene it is possible to detect the blond hair and the hint of a child’s body
on the left side of the picture and a shadowed man’s figure on the right.
- I keep thinking about that space, that in between Rudiger Vogler and Yella Rottlander –
the main character of the movie as well as the two entities on the postcards. With its absence,
its endless possibilities of been fulfilled and its consequent productive confusion, this
space simply embodies all the meaning of that human relation and, consequently, of the whole
- It is on that unclear but still meaningful interstice that the concept of confusion as an
extreme disorder seams to change value and reach a complex and productive signification. It’s
in this alternative place that confusion could be seen as higher level of sensibility  ].
- [  I’m writing a text on art as object in relation to history of art and in contrast with
the idea of a window on the world  ].
- [  “The text doesn’t gloss the images, which do not illustrate the text. For me, each
has been no more than the onset of a kind of visual uncertainty, analogous to that loss of
meaning Zen calls a satori. Text and images, interlacing, seek to ensure the circulation and
exchange of those signifiers: body, face, writing; and in than to read the retreat of signs”.
- Those are the first words of Empire of Signs by Roland Bathes book that embodies my interest
for confusion as a higher level of sensibility and that brings me to the idea of interstice.
- It’s curious that it is on the idea of interstice that we first have activated our communal
interests. Maybe its better to say in the idea of interstice and with this shift the interstice
creates that dangerous zone where things happen, where thoughts are produced as results of
precious confusion.
- Confusion gets form by activating all the different points of interest; it creates a flow
that is impossible to detect and knows now end. 
- We meet ourselves in that interstice. Your idea of space and place, of time and different
perception, brings you to the possibility of an interstice as a meaningful in between; it
creates that alternative place where confusion becomes an experimental process and brings
us – or in general the subject – to work on a dangerous zone where struggle and coercion
are incorporated. This is a zone of critical thoughts and artistic production.
- Why Barthes and his book about Japan and sign-aucracy?
- In Barthes’ book confusion is directly linked with the Japanese concept of MU – emptiness
– and brings the reader to the idea of interstice as a productive and critical place. At
this point we reach our independence from the thoughts of Deleuze and Guattari because in
Barthes book we feel how confusion is directly related with a shift from the western mechanical
tradition – we are all products of Descartes – to an eastern organic tradition.  
- In the chapter Without Words, Barthes explains in one page how he felt in the same interstice
where we meet each other
- ‘The unknown language, of which I nonetheless grasps the respiration, the emotive aeration,
in a word the pure significance, form around me, as I move, a fait of vertigo, sweeping me
into this artificial emptiness, which is consummated only for me: I live in the interstice,
delivered from any fulfilled meaning’
- It’s curious how he explains his first contact with the Japanese’ language in everyday
life. The confusion brought by an unknown language, unknown sign and unknown rumours, together
with the efforts to understand the language throw the person – a stranger without any knowledge
of the idiom – in an alternative place: it’s in that alternative place that we can talk
about a higher level of sensibility. Confusion is something that puts the person inside the
in between, in the interstice where everything happens and where a productive dangerous zones
is created ].
- [  I’m writing on the Centre of Tokyo as a supreme interstice  ]
- [  There is a poetry from Fernando Pessoa namely The King of Interstice that could be seen
as a strong reference for our project.:
- There lived, I know not when, never perhaps –
- But the fact is that he lived – an unknown king
- Whose kingdom was the strange kingdom of Interstice
- He was lord of what is twixt thing and thing,
- Of interbeings, of that part of us
- That lies between our waking and our sleep,
- Between our silence and our speech, between
- Us and the consciousness of us; and thus
- A strange mute kingdom did that weird king keep
- Sequestered from our thought of time and space.
- Those supreme purposes that never reach
- The deed – between them and the deed undone
- He rules, uncrowned. He is the mystery which
- Is between eyes and sight, nor blind nor seeing.
- Himself is never ended nor begun,
- Above is own void presence empty shelf.
- All he is but a chasm in his own being,
- The lidless box holding not-being’s no-pelf.
- All think that he is God, except himself.
- That kingdom is the field of creation, the alternative place where it’s possible to detect
a dangerous zone of thoughts.
- That kingdom is the place of interests of an organic structure, is one of the hubs, one
of the meanings’ connector   ].
- [  I’m writing a text on Hakim Bey and his idea of the no-go zone
- Hakim Bey is an avant-garde poet-philosopher whose work departs from the academic tradition,
rediscovering mystery and magic as means of re-conquering joy of life and defeating boredom.
- About chaos:
- ‘CHAOS NEVER DIED. Primordial uncared block, sole worshipful monster, inert & spontaneous,
more ultraviolet than any mythology (like the shadows before Babylon), the original undifferentiated
oneness-of-being still radiates serene as the black pennants of Assassins, random & perpetually
- Chaos comes before all principles of order & entropy, it's neither a god nor a maggot,
its idiotic desires encompass & define every possible choreography, all meaningless aethers
& phlogistons: its masks are crystallizations of its own facelessness, like clouds. Everything
in nature is perfectly real including consciousness, there's absolutely nothing to worry about.
Not only have the chains of the Law been broken, they never existed; demons never guarded
the stars, the Empire never got started, Eros never grew a beard’.  ]
- [   I’m writing a text on the idea of laboratory related to curating showing the differences
within organisations .  ]
- [   The project considered as a tautology brings us to Wittgenstein.
- For Wittgenstein tautology is a key point to understand the structure of language and as
a consequence the structure of reality. Tautology could be considered as an interstice: it’s
exactly nothing and everything at the same time, emptiness becomes fullness and the way around.
As Wittgenstein says: ‘tautology and contradiction are the limited cases of a language […]
of the combination of senses that form reality’.
- The general form of a proposition reveals the relation between a word and its referent (when
there is a direct link between the understanding of a proposition and the understanding of
reality). A tautology, which is different from a proposition, is true under every single condition,
it doesn’t explain anything and so it reveals emptiness. It forms the exception by which
the rule becomes possible. The shift from highlighting the rule to highlighting the exception
reveals also a shift from a mechanical to an organic approach: the rule is formed by the exception
and the vice verso. On the one hand the mechanical paradigm defines the world by defining
the rule, it explains the world causational. On the other the organic approach shows mutual
relations, without rule or exception.
- For Wittgenstein tautology is a complete emptiness that at the same time is necessary to
build an atomic and philosophical structure.
- When we take the idea of Tautology and emptiness to its extreme consequent then the interstice
or meaningful emptiness stands at the basis of the understanding of reality and reality itself.
According to this the emptiness can be considered as an alternative place where confusion
could be seen as a higher level of sensibility and where production takes place. Ones erased
the atomic approach the interstice remains. It is the place of creation and meaning.    ]
- [   I’m writing on the loss of control related to the position of the curator  ]

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