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From Craig McClanahan <>
Subject Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Apache Struts offers "Shale" for JSF
Date Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:21:38 GMT
On 12/15/05, Paul Benedict <> wrote:
> Dakota,
> Last week, I wrote about three messages voicing my opinon that I think it
> is an error to accept
> Shale under the Struts banner. I still hold that to be true, but I also
> see the justification of
> the commiters, which are:
> [1] Struts is now an "umbrella" label to contain MANY frameworks. As the
> old Action 1.x framework
> phases out, others will come in like WebWork/Struts 2.x, Shale, etc.
> [2] Many companies recognize the Struts label, so having Shale called
> Struts Shale allows your
> manager to instantly buy into the technology.
> [3] IBM has certified Struts; so this is certification for Shale too (ala
> point #2).
> [4] Sharing the Struts community with Shale is a big win for JSF.
> I can't really argue with these opinions; their reasoning is sound. The
> philosophy is certainly
> much different than mine and I prefer Struts to be the name of ONE
> BRANDING DILUTION, but I was told by a Commiter "what difference does it
> make to you?" Well I
> certainly won't be caring anymore with that kind of response :) I cared
> because I was interested
> in not diluting the brand name but... I can only care so much since, in
> reality, it's not my
> decision and responsibility anyway.

By the way, the original decision to incorporate Shale as a subproject
occurred nearly 11 months ago:

-- Paul


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