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From "Frank W. Zammetti" <>
Subject Re: [shale] status
Date Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:20:28 GMT
Craig McClanahan wrote:
> Thanks for the pointer ... I wasn't aware of that. That being said, it's not 
> clear that a lot of effort should be devoted to the Shale Ant scripts, since 
> Wendy has volunteered to Mavenize them (as long as she can deal with the 
> either-JSF-RI-or-MyFaces requirements -- boy can she be a glutton for 
> punishment sometimes :-).

Yep, I knew that, both that she was Mavenizing it *and* that she can be 
a glutton for punishment :)

I was hoping you'd continue the Ant scripts... as I said to Wendy a few 
days ago, it seems like many people are switching to Maven, and I liked 
being able to point to you and say "hey, Craig isn't using it, I can't 
be completely wrong in sticking with Ant!" :)

At the end of the day though, it's just like Struts... Whatever my 
feelings about Maven, if the build works and I don't have to maintain 
the script, not really a big deal either way.

> Even if that weren't the case, though, I'm not positive that, in an Ant-only 
> world, defining external dependencies separately (rather than explicitly in 
> <get> targets as Shale does now) is necessarily a better thing -- but that 
> might also be my long time antipathy to Maven showing through :-).

I know the feeling, I haven't been overly excited about Maven 
personally.  This particular feature though is one that I didn't have an 
immediate aversion to, and I was happy to find this analogy for Ant... 
especially for JWP as an example, it cut out over 1MB of download size 
from the source distro; I definitely appreciate that.

> Craig


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