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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:00:41 -0800 (PST)
From: David Graham <grahamdavid1980@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Any support for migrating to JIRA?
To: Struts Developers List <dev@struts.apache.org>
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I use Eclipse but I have heard good things about IDEA.  If we ever meet in
person maybe I can buy you a beer with some of the $500 I saved not paying
for IDEA ;-). 

Regarding the open source argument not being valid:
IMO, it's not the kind of position that is valid or invalid.  It's my
personal preference to use free software while developing free software. 
Being a preference obviously means I won't stand in the way if the
majority of people want to switch to a proprietary alternative.  However,
it will move us one step further away from the larger free software
community that we belong to.

BTW, I get paid to write commercial software too so it's not that I
consider JIRA "evil".

David

--- Ted Husted <husted@apache.org> wrote:

> :) Does that include your IDE, David? :)
> 
> :) Last I knew, you were an IDEA guy. :)
> 
> (Another spectacular product that I'm happy to support with my own
> hard-earned dollars.)
> 
> -Ted.
> 
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:22:52 -0800 (PST), David Graham wrote:
> > Just to prevent confusion, I am using the term "free" as the FSF
> > defines it: http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-sw.html.  I am aware
> > that JIRA is provided at *no cost* to Apache but it is certainly
> > not free software.
> >
> > I have nothing against JIRA; it's probably a fine product.  I just
> > find it more interesting to support other free software projects
> > while working on code at Apache.
> >
> > David
> >
> > --- Sean Schofield <sean.schofield@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I would agree that the recent improvements in Bugzilla were
> >> definitely a step in the right direction.  In particular I like
> >> how you can make an old attachment obsolete by adding a new one.
> >>
> >> JIRA is available free to open source projects so I don't
> >> consider using JIRA to be going against open source.  I would
> >> also argue that JIRA is more than just a pretty interface.  The
> >> functionality is a lot smoother.
> >>
> >> That being said I can understand why you guys want to keep
> >> supporting Bugzilla and stick with it.  No worries.  I was just
> >> wondering if anyone had considered it.
> >>
> >> sean
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:15:44 -0600, Joe Germuska
> >> <Joe@germuska.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Last time this came up, several committers expressed a
> >>> preference for using free software (Bugzilla), understanding
> >>> that JIRA provides free licenses to Open Source projects.
> >>>
> >>> I think JIRA is great, but I also think recent improvements to
> >>> the Apache Bugzilla installation have made me much happier with
> >>> it than I was last time this came up.
> >>>
> >>> Joe
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> At 10:54 AM -0500 1/28/05, Sean Schofield wrote:
> >>>> I was just curious if any of the struts developers had
> >>>> thought about moving from Bugzilla to JIRA?  We're using JIRA
> >>>> on MyFaces and its in use for a lot of other Apache projects
> >>>> as well.  We're also moving to JIRA at my workplace.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyways, I personally think its a vast improvement over
> >>>> Bugzilla. Just thought I would throw the idea out there.
> >>>> This message is *not* to be construed as an offer to
> >>>> volunteer to perform the migration :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> sean
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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