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From Martin Cooper <mfncoo...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: JIRA Conversion (was RE: patch to make sure streams get closed)
Date Tue, 31 Aug 2004 05:52:37 GMT
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:19:49 -0400, Ted Husted <husted@apache.org> wrote:
> Considering that we only had four votes on Struts 1.2.2, I wouldn't consider the response
a low turnout. :)

I didn't vote on the 1.2.2 release because I haven't had time to test
the release. Expressing an opinion on our bug database has a somewhat
lower barrier to entry...

> IMHO, the Bugzilla issues are not going to get any better, and will only get worse.
> 
> Unless we're aware of someone who is going to step up and maintain Bugzilla at the infrastructure@
level, there's no point in waiting.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, at least two different people have
offered (on the infra@ list) to work on upgrading our Bugzilla
installation, and maintaining it after the upgrade.

> If there's someone willing to run point on this now, then we should let them.

If they're willing to run in the direction we want to go, I agree. But
I'm not sure that we know what that direction is at this point in
time.

--
Martin Cooper


> 
> -Ted.
> 
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:18:36 -0400, David H. DeWolf wrote:
> >>
> >>�Whoa, hold on a sec. This wasn't a vote thread, it was a
> 
> 
> >>�discussion thread. IMO, this is a big enough change that I would
> >>�want to see a vote thread to draw the attention of other folks
> >>�who may not have been following this discussion thread.
> >>
> >
> >�That's cool, but I if I'm not mistaken only struts committers can
> >�start a vote thread. �Right? �If that's the case, then I'd suggest
> >�that the committers get it worked out and let me know when/if
> >�they're ready for some assistance.
> >
> >>�In addition, only 3 supporting votes out of a total of 14 people
> >>�seems to me to warrant more discussion. (For example, of those
> >>�who indicated a +1 on switching to JIRA, how many have looked at
> >>�any other Bugzilla installations? Are those people sure JIRA will
> >>�be what they want when we have our Bugzilla installation
> >>�upgraded?)
> >>
> >
> >�Agreed that the response was quite low and that's precisely why I
> >�sent the "I'm going to unless I hear otherwise" warning before I
> >�went off and did it. That said, several of the struts committers
> >�seem to have "other itches" right now, so I'm not sure that waiting
> >�around for all 14 committers to respond is ideal either (it's
> >�already been a week).
> >
> >
> >>�One thing that makes me very leery of such a change, without a
> >>�lot of thought, is that there are thousands of URLs out there
> >>�pointing to Bugzilla issues, and every one of those will be
> >>�invalidated by a switch to JIRA (but not by a switch to an
> >>�upgraded Bugzilla).
> >>
> >
> >�Very valid points. �Quite frankly, I'm not convinced that JIRA adds
> >�much value over bugzilla either, but the tone of this list seemed
> >�to be that the upgrade was desired but no one had the time to take
> >�charge of it. �That's why I volunteered.
> >
> >�Just let me know what you want me to do from here, if anything.
> >
> >�David
> >
> >
> >>�--
> >>�Martin Cooper
> >>
> >>
> >>�On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:36:10 -0400, David H. DeWolf
> >>�<ddewolf@apache.org>�wrote:
> >>>�I count:
> >>>
> >>>�+1: 3
> >>>�+0: 0
> >>>�0: 1
> >>>�-0: 1
> >>>�-1: 0
> >>>
> >>>�I think the 3 +1 votes are enough to move forward, so I
> >>>
> >>�will submit the JIRA
> >>>�request unless I hear otherwise by tomorrow morning.
> >>>
> >>>�David
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>�-----Original Message-----
> >>>>�From: Joe Germuska [mailto:Joe@Germuska.com]
> >>>>�Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 2:17 PM
> >>>>�To: Struts Developers List
> >>>>�Subject: Re: JIRA Conversion (was RE: patch to make sure
> >>>>�streams get closed)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>�If the Struts community is in favor of migrating to Jira, I
> >>>>>
> >>>>�would be happy
> >>>>>�to spearhead the process. �While I will need a little
> >>>>>
> >>>>�cooperation from the
> >>>>>�committers (things like voting on whether or not to
> >>>>>
> >>>>�migrate!), I think the
> >>>>>�rest is simply interaction with the infrastructure team.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>�Please let me know if you'd like me to move forward with
> >>>>>
> >>>>�this or if you
> >>>>>�assessment of what is required is different.
> >>>>>
> >>>>�I'm +1 on migrating to JIRA; some committers were not
> >>>>�comfortable with the fact that it's not open source, but I
> >>>>�think it's so much better than Bugzilla as to not matter,
> >>>>�especially since I don't foresee having time myself to do
> >>>>�anything to make Bugzilla better.
> >>>>
> >>>>�Joe
> >>>>
> >>>>�--
> >>>>�Joe Germuska
> >>>>�Joe@Germuska.com
> >>>>�http://blog.germuska.com
> >>>>�"In fact, when I die, if I don't hear 'A Love Supreme,' I'll
> >>>>�turn back; I'll know I'm in the wrong place." - Carlos Santana
> 
>

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