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From Edgar P Dollin <>
Subject RE: PATCH: html:cancel tag. Made a javascript version for submitt ing
Date Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:19:03 GMT

As to your prior point, I will explain why a goal of being able to swap the
view and controller is of a lower priority to me than having an integrated
set of tags with the controller.

Work gets planned and paid for by project.  A typical project would be to
web enable or web service enable a business app.  Commitments to technology
are made on this basis, not on we think this html view technology is better.
Now struts, or any bean based controller, is compatible with all the view
technology out there with any bean based view technology.  The point is cost
control, since struts tags are integrated, it is cheaper in most cases to
just use the tags with their limitations.  The better and more complete the
struts tags get, the cheaper it will be to get open source applications up.
Since all the organizations that works with struts have to coble together
date handling for example, there is an awful lot of code being written or
package integration that is redundant.

In struts case it is a request / response controller.  If some technology
comes along that works with a request / response mechanism, then struts
should adapt allowing you to keep your investment in connecting your
business logic to struts actions.  That has little to do with enhancing the
current tags which address html/http which for the forseeable future will be
the dominant application delivery mechanism.


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Rasmussen []
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:06 PM
Subject: RE: PATCH: html:cancel tag. Made a javascript version for

I'm not trying to beat your point into submission or anything just voicing 
my opinion.  I wasn't looking for an apology.  I think you have a perfectly 
valid view...its just not my view.

I only bring it up because as a long time user of struts I want to see the 
platform move in the right direction and the only way I see to do that is to

offer up my views of what I will find useful in 2-3 years.  Since I am not a

committer I can only voice my opinions with patches and with participation 
on the dev list (Which is how it should work IMHO).

Just hoping ot help out and make my opinions heard, right or wrong.

>From: Edgar P Dollin <>
>Reply-To: "Struts Developers List" <>
>To: 'Struts Developers List' <>
>Subject: RE: PATCH: html:cancel tag. sMade a javascript version for 
>Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:47:52 -0400
>I understand your point, although I don't know why you think it is
>important.  I guess I just disagree.
>Sorry to have made the posting.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Rasmussen []
>Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 2:43 PM
>Subject: RE: PATCH: html:cancel tag. Made a javascript version for
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