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From "Arron Bates" <struts-...@keyboardmonkey.com>
Subject Re: VOTE (enough already!): Release Struts RC2 with FileUpload Beta 2
Date Fri, 30 May 2003 00:22:34 GMT
+1

This puppy's more than stable enough to cut another RC.

I understand why Martin wants the FileUpload to go through the wringer, and it
should, but it's already the most spiffy-est upload component there is. Beta2
of FileUpload has my vote for RC2.

Somehow in all this I get the nagging feeling that Struts now has an agenda
which it's never had before. It was just cutting quality software, hang the
time it took.

Regarding James' "Open source is supposed to be speedy and responsive", where
did you get this idea from?... only open source projects that are truly speedy
drop the quality aspect in order to obtain it, unless I'm missing something
obvious?... Take Exolab's Castor and how slow that's moving. But what a fine
product, and not even at 1.0.


Arron.


> +1
> I agree that deprecating methods does not require a new beta.  We don't 
> guarantee backwards compatibility between betas.  James, can you act as 
> release manager for RC2?  Sounds like Martin won't have time to do it.
> 
> David
> 
> > > From: Martin Cooper [mailto:martinc@apache.org]
> >
> >First off, big thanks to Martin for adopting FileUpload and getting this
> >puppy back in shape.
> >
> > > Now, about the Struts 1.1 RC2 release. The problem is the
> > > staging needed to get FileUpload out the door. It's currently
> > > at Beta 1, and the code base in CVS has some methods that
> > > have been deprecated since Beta 1. The deprecated methods
> > > need to be removed before 1.0 Final, which means that we need
> > > a Beta 2 to publicise the deprecations. Then they can be
> > > removed in an RC1, shortly to be followed (hopefully) by 1.0 Final.
> > >
> > > Much as I would like to see Struts 1.1 RC2 happen before
> > > JavaOne, I just don't see how that can happen, given the
> > > steps that FileUpload has to go through before a final release.
> >
> >Does this strike anyone but me as an example of the victory of process
> >over sanity?
> >
> >Why does a deprecation/removal of some methods require a new beta?  If
> >your code depends on the deprecated methods, you can stick with whatever
> >you're using now until you can fix your code, and then use the release.
> >If you don't, you can evaluate the RC, and an entire step can be saved.
> >
> >The entire Struts 1.1 release has been a Kafka-esq adventure in strict
> >adherence to a set of rules that, IMHO, has done nothing but add months
> >of delay to an already terminally late release.  It's hard to believe
> >there's something that makes the JCP look speedy, but consider that in
> >the time we've been struggling to get 1.1 out the door, JSF has gone
> >almost completely from proposal to EA.
> >
> >Open source is supposed to be speedy and responsive, instead we're
> >starting to make Microsoft look like a speed demon.  The Apache rules
> >serve a good purpose, to prevent shoddy releases.  But at this point,
> >we've got a major release hanging fire on (frankly) some relatively
> >obscure supporting packages which aren't even used by the majority of
> >the user community.
> >
> >If I were benevolent dictator for a day, I'd do a 1.1 RC2 now with the
> >FileUpload Beta 2.  But, since we live in an enlightened society, I'm
> >putting it up for a vote.
> >
> >As we've been reminded recently, this type of voice is non-veto-able,
> >lazy majority
> >
> >SO:
> >
> >+1 - Yes, release Struts RC2 with FileUpload 1.1 Beta 2 once Martin
> >releases it.
> >
> >0 - Eh
> >
> >-1 - I prefer to delay Struts RC2 until FileUpload is in final release.
> >
> >The 72 hour voting cutoff is 3AM Eastern June 1
> >
> >James
> >
> >
> >
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