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From "Karr, David" <David.K...@wamu.net>
Subject RE: Yes, it's another VOTE: RELEASE STRUTS 1.1 WITH DBCP NIGHTLY BUILD
Date Thu, 08 May 2003 19:42:51 GMT
I'm +1 on getting 1.1 out.  I'm just sitting here watching for now.  I'm
not familiar with the issues related to DBCP, so I can't comment on any
technical issues related to that.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:35 PM
> To: struts-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Yes, it's another VOTE: RELEASE STRUTS 1.1 WITH DBCP
NIGHTLY
> BUILD
> 
> The easiest solution would be to include the last final release of
DBCP.
> If
> everyone agrees on rolling back to GDS and someone volunteers to
perform
> the
> changes, then it's fine with me.  We haven't heard from many of the
> committers on this topic though.
> 
> David
> 
> 
> >From: "James Mitchell" <jmitchell@apache.org>
> >Reply-To: "Struts Developers List" <struts-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
> >To: "Struts Developers List" <struts-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
> >Subject: RE: Yes, it's another VOTE: RELEASE STRUTS 1.1 WITH DBCP
NIGHTLY
> >BUILD
> >Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:23:23 -0400
> >
> >So is this a plan?  Can we roll back?
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >James Mitchell
> >Software Developer/Struts Evangelist
> >http://www.open-tools.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@hotmail.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:59 PM
> > > To: struts-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> > > Subject: RE: Yes, it's another VOTE: RELEASE STRUTS 1.1 WITH DBCP
> > > NIGHTLY BUILD
> > >
> > >
> > > Regardless of how well DBCP works, Struts doesn't need to bundle a
> > > DataSource implementation.  Many people use implementations from
their
> > > container vendor, many others use implementations from their
database
> > > vendor.
> > >
> > > There are significant problems in DBCP that are a long term goal
to
> fix.
> > > There are 3 open bugs against it right now.  If those are fixed we
can
> >go
> > > with DBCP.  We recently stopped bundling the jdbc extension jar
> > > and require
> > > people to download it separately.  It's just as reasonable to
> > > require people
> > > to download a separate DataSource implementation.  In this case it
> would
> > > allow us to release Struts faster.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > >From: "Brandon Goodin" <mail@phase.ws>
> > > >Reply-To: "Struts Developers List"
<struts-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > >To: "Struts Developers List" <struts-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > >Subject: RE: Yes, it's another VOTE: RELEASE STRUTS 1.1 WITH
> > > DBCP NIGHTLY
> > > >BUILD
> > > >Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:55:31 -0600
> > > >
> > > >How is it that DBCP works well in Tomcat and not struts? Is
Tomcat's
> > > >conneciton pooling services as buggy as DBCP in struts? I have
been
> >using
> > > >DBCP in Tomcat for some time with no problems. If Tomcat is
released
> >with
> > > >DBCP then why isn't it good enough for Struts?
> > > >
> > > >Brandon Goodin
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Joe Germuska [mailto:Joe@Germuska.com]
> > > >Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:36 AM
> > > >To: Struts Developers List
> > > >Subject: Re: Yes, it's another VOTE: RELEASE STRUTS 1.1 WITH DBCP
> > > >NIGHTLY BUILD
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Everyone agrees that 1.1 is long overdue yet it seems that we
can't
> > > > >let go of it and release it.  It's irresponsible to hold up the
> > > > >release because of a DataSource package with 0-2 developers
> > > > >supporting it.  My guess is that many people won't care; if
they
> do,
> > > > >they can hop over to DBCP and get it fixed.
> > > > >
> > > > >I think after pool and fileupload go final we should have
another
> > > > >RC2 vote.  I hope that anyone who votes -1 because of DBCP will
> chip
> > > > >in to fix it.
> > > >
> > > >I think that Ted's suggestion of rolling back to the
> > > >GenericDataSource is the best one.  It seems that there must be
very
> > > >few people using DBCP with struts, or it would have more
champions
> > > >here and it wouldn't be slated to go out the door with a future
> > > >release.
> > > >
> > > >At 6:14 AM -0400 5/8/03, Ted Husted wrote:
> > > > >In Struts 1.0, we had our own GenericDataSource. GDS works, but
> only
> > > > >so well. In Struts 1.1, being good citizens, we've been trying
to
> > > > >migrate to DBCP. For backward-compatibility, DBCP is actually
being
> > > > >called from inside a wrapper that makes it look like the GDS.
> > > >
> > > >As long as the "only so well" is less buggy than the DBCP
> > > >implementation, it seems like abandoning DBCP would be totally
> > > >reasonable, particularly if DBCP can't get a full release and
very
> > > >few Struts users are actually depending on its functionality.
More
> > > >dramatic changes (like actual API changes) have already happened
> > > >during the 1.1 development process...
> > > >
> > > >Joe
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >--
> > > >Joe Germuska
> > > >Joe@Germuska.com
> > > >http://blog.germuska.com
> > > >"If nature worked that way, the universe would crash all the
time."
> > > >	--Jaron Lanier
> > > >
> > >
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