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From "David Graham" <dgraham1...@hotmail.com>
Subject Re: Short term plans
Date Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:31:30 GMT
The plan is to change the base servlet requirement in 2.0 not 1.2.

David



>From: Vic Cekvenich <vc@basebeans.com>
>Reply-To: "Struts Developers List" <struts-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
>To: struts-dev@jakarta.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Short term plans
>Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 07:37:38 -0500
>
>Yes, it was James, and I join thanking him, et. all.
>
>The effect is feature creep delaying a release with a limited pool of 
>resources, for things that some would like to deprecate. Like in Struts 1.2 
>supporting Tomcat 3.x? That takes time, and limits what can be done in 
>other areas.
>
>Surely you agree that some tags should slowly move to jakarta.taglib?
>
>And if I can disagree on the stats, my anecdotal evidence is that projects 
>in development are Tomcat 4.x (JSP and Servlet API).
>
>Else consider adding developers (keep an eye on Matt Raible, Ben Tomasini, 
>Scot Skyles, Ibatis.com guy, Tiles 201 guy, Stxx guy, sf.struts people,  
>... )
>
>Again, my hope is that a "quick 1.2" release is Servlet 2.3 and EL.
>
>( Struts 2.0 wish list?: more soapy, and JSP2.0, maven, jelly, and 
>http://ireport.sourceforge.net/images/screenshot6.gif drag and drop 2 way 
>from jsp to beans, jdk 1.4)
>
>I am now teaching JSP 2.0 in Resin 3/Tomcat 5 in my Struts classe with this 
>2.0 syntax:
>${ibean['field']}
>By the time their 6 month project cycle is ready to deploy, JSP2.0 will be 
>out.
>
>Just take it into consideration, a faster development cycle, means making 
>some "austerity choices" in 1.2. Alternative? Struts 1.2 in .... 18 months?
>
>.V
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
>>
>>On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, David Graham wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:50:08 -0700
>>>From: David Graham <dgraham1980@hotmail.com>
>>>Reply-To: Struts Developers List <struts-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
>>>To: struts-dev@jakarta.apache.org
>>>Subject: Re: Short term plans
>>>
>>>The taglibs are a heavily used feature.  We get a lot of bug reports on 
>>>them
>>>so the tests are badly needed.  There is no doubt that we should use JSTL
>>>but at this point not everyone has that option.
>>>
>>
>>
>>At JavaOne US 2002 (March 2002) I did a survey of the folks that came to
>>the Struts Community BOF.  Over half the people there were developing and
>>deploying on J2EE 1.2 (i.e. Servlet 2.2 and JSP 1.1) platforms.  Yes, it's
>>almost a year later now, but the situation has not *totally* changed.
>>
>>JSTL (and JavaServer Faces, when it becomes available) require Servlet 2.3
>>and JSP 1.2, so they are not even an option for a very significant portion
>>of the Struts user community.  Thus, it would be irresponsible to abandon
>>our focus on ensuring the quality of the Struts tag libraries -- and this
>>would be true even if Struts was a commercial product instead of an open
>>source package.
>>
>>That being said, it's very clear where the future is for view tier
>>technology.  But that's for the future (Struts 1.2 and beyond) -- and,
>>even for those future Struts versions, users are not always able to
>>convert their applications instantly.  We need to care now, and will
>>continue to need to care in the future, about the quality of the existing
>>Struts tag libraries.  I'm totally delighted that someone like David has
>>cared enough to create such a comprehensive test suite for a feature that
>>is critically important to a very large majority of current, and future,
>>Struts users.
>>
>>Thanks David!
>>
>>
>>>David
>>
>>
>>Craig
>>
>>
>>>>With respect, consider how much time struts-devs should spend on tags, I
>>>>kind of agree with those that say slowly move them over to taglibs and
>>>>separate jar away from "core" struts, for example if JSTL can do it.
>>>>
>>>>Of course I know, open source means donating contributors kind of get to
>>>>work on what they want.
>>>>
>>>>my 2 c.
>>>>.V
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Karr, David wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: James Mitchell [mailto:jmitchell@apache.org]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My plans are to finish up html this weekend, and tiles, upload, and
>>>>>>validator by the end of next week.  After that I hope to get all the
>>>>>>nested tags done between 3/15 and 3/22, then move on to the struts-el
>>>>>>tags.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The only thing that might delay things is the fact that my contract
is
>>>>>>almost up and I'm desperately looking for another job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does anyone object or is there a special focus that anyone wants to
>>>>>
>>>>>get
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>covered quickly?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also, are there any volunteers out there wanting to help me get this
>>>>>>stuff nailed?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sigh.
>>>>>
>>>>>If your new testing setup is reasonably straightforward, I wouldn't
>>>>>imagine it could be very difficult for me or someone else to clone them
>>>>>(and remove some) for the Struts-EL tests.  There already is a set of
>>>>>Cactus tests for Struts-EL which covered more than the original base
>>>>>Struts tests did, but your new work has very likely jumped well past
>>>>>that.
>>>>>
>>>>>In short, if you've finished everything you need to do for bean, logic,
>>>>>and html, and you have some doors to knock on, then give me what I need
>>>>>to know and I'll implement the Struts-EL tests (or someone else, if 
>>>>>they
>>>>>wanted to do this).  If Aaron has time, he could probably do the same
>>>>>for the nested tags.
>>>>
>>>>
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