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From "David Graham" <dgraham1...@hotmail.com>
Subject [OT] Re: Why are people are up on Struts
Date Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:34:58 GMT
Isn't it vi not VI?  Or "six" as I like to call it ;-).  I loved my first 
experience with vi..."Why the hell can't I type anything?".

Dave






>From: James Mitchell <jmitchell@apache.org>
>Reply-To: "Struts Developers List" <struts-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
>To: Struts Developers List <struts-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
>Subject: Re: Why are people are up on Struts
>Date: 13 Dec 2002 11:08:28 -0500
>
>On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 08:20, Ted Husted wrote:
> > 12/12/2002 5:29:23 AM, Joseph Ottinger <joeo@enigmastation.com>
> > wrote:
> > >On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Ted Husted wrote:
> > >> Given the large community behind Struts, we do have our share
> > >> of zealots. And, I agree that people who believe Struts is
> > >> "42" are not being realistic.
> >
> > >I think it goes back to a lot of people - including myself - who
> > >think that zealots of any stripe are retarded, and people who
> > >don't know any better get reminded - IRC-fashion - that there are
> > >other alternatives.
> >
> > I think Struts may attract more than it share of zealots simply
> > because Craig is a friendly guy and makes people feel welcome. I
> > originally looked harder at Struts than other products just
> > because I enjoyed Craig's demeanor on the list. And, like many
> > others, I stuck around because people were helpful and made Struts
> > easier to use. When my turn came, I helped others along. The cycle
> > continues. People Craig and I have helped are now helping others.
> > (Good thing, since both of us seem swamped lately!)
> >
> > This is really the essence of "Apache marketing". We do put
> > community before technology. Struts isn't popular because of the
> > Apache name or because of economic engineering by an evil empire.
> > It's popular because we do things the Apache Way and put people
> > first.
> >
> > Of course, people outside the community can't see that, and so
> > wonder why Struts is the most popular framework when it is
> > arguably not the most powerful or easiest to grasp.
> >
> > It's popular, because, gosh, people ~like~ us =:0)
> >
> > -Ted.
> >
> >
>
>Something else that can make a difference is "First Impressions".  I
>mean, would you stick around if the first response you get when
>approaching a new community is titled "idiot.html"?
>
>  http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idiot.html
>
>Whether you meant to send to the wrong list or not, first impressions
>are lasting impressions....hey isn't that a common phrase or something?
>
>I've witnessed several flame wars over that link.
>
>Well, at least we don't promote ill feelings here, however VI still
>sucks!!! ;P
>
>
>--
>James Mitchell
>Software Engineer / Struts Evangelist
>http://www.open-tool.org/
>
>
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