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From "David Graham" <dgraham1...@hotmail.com>
Subject Re: Why struts is looked down upon...
Date Sat, 07 Dec 2002 03:03:40 GMT
LOL, I think it's marketing@jakarta.apache.org

Dave






>From: "V. Cekvenich" <vicc@users.sourceforge.net>
>Reply-To: "Struts Developers List" <struts-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
>To: struts-dev@jakarta.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Why struts is looked down upon...
>Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 21:57:20 -0500
>
>Oh, and his comments about Jakarta marketing, will make the Jakarta 
>marketing department very proud. Let me just forward this to the Jakarta 
>marketing.
>
>.V
>
>V. Cekvenich wrote:
>>My Comments IN-LINE CAPS:
>>
>>   * Struts is not very powerful. There's no action chaining; all of the 
>>models are one layer deep.
>>
>>STRUTS IS LIGHT WEIGHT, FAST AND EASY. AND LIKE HE SAID ON TOP, VERY 
>>POPULAR.
>>
>>     * Struts is bound to the web. You can't use it outside of the context 
>>of a servlet engine. Model-View-Controller is a very generic paradigm; 
>>don't you think implementations should follow the paradigm?
>>
>>SO? WHAT?
>>
>>     * Struts has poor configuration. Struts is bound to the web, so you'd 
>>think that Least Astonishment would allow you to use web semantics, but 
>>the config file does things to hide that from you.
>>
>>IT IS A WEB FRAMEWORK, KISS.
>>CONSIDER A SUBMARINE THAT IS ALSO A LAWN MOWER. WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING 
>>THAT DOES 2 THINGS?
>>
>>     * Struts tries to do everything for you: UI, logic, templating, MVC. 
>>In other words, it's not a toolkit, it's a platform.
>>
>>I WISH STRUTS DID DO EVERYTHING. IT IS ONLY AN ACTION CONTROLLER.
>>
>>
>>* Struts dictates the view to you: you pretty much have to use JSP in 
>>order to use Struts. I suppose the mindset is that if you're going to be 
>>bound to the web, why not bind yourself as much as you can?
>>
>>TED'S BOOK ADVOCATES VELOCITY, A BIG DEAL IS STXX (XML).
>>
>>
>>Matt Raible wrote:
>>
>>>Any of you care to comment on this?
>>>
>>>http://java.enigmastation.com/Q806
>>>
>>>I'll post a rebuttle on my weblog shortly.
>>
>>
>>I SAY JUST IGNORE HIM, WHO CARE TO ENLIGHTEN HIM. UNLESS YOU SAY "WHICH 
>>ONE DOES HE FAVOR?"
>>
>>>
>>>Matt
>>>
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