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From "David Graham" <>
Subject Re: Hello, all.
Date Mon, 09 Dec 2002 16:07:01 GMT
I noticed you quoted me on your site but you left out the important point 
that Struts has never and will never dictate a model or view layer 
technology.  Struts gives you total freedom because at its core it's simply 
an action controller.  The taglibs will be replaced by standards like JSTL 
and JSF.

I had never heard of your site before someone posted it on this list and I 
don't intend to visit it often.  Struts does not need a defense on your 
site.  *You* need to actually build a meaningful app using Struts and then 
make a judgement.  The only "defense" of Struts I'll offer is this: 
Thousands of successful web applications have been produced quickly and 
cheaply using Struts.  Struts is the most popular Java web MVC framework for 
a reason.  I suggest you find out why.

I frankly don't care if some people don't like Struts; that's a matter of 
personal preference.  I do care when it is misrepresented with ignorant 


>From: Joseph Ottinger <>
>Reply-To: "Struts Developers List" <>
>Subject: Hello, all.
>Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:49:31 -0500 (EST)
>Hi. I'm Joseph Ottinger (if you couldn't tell from my .sig, my From:
>address, etc.) and I'm the one who wrote "Why are people so down on
>Struts?" and its ancillary article. I made a point out of putting my email
>address on (which I had not done before) to
>enable direct feedback on articles like that one, because I recognize
>that, for one thing, this industry has sacred cows like many others, and
>for another, to enable the information to be autocorrecting. (The concept
>here is that if someone else with edit capabilities knows better than I,
>they can edit -- or if someone without edit rights knows better, they can
>email and I can establish the correct information.)
>I'd like to offer you a chance to:
>* Have a "what's great about struts" if you'd like
>* Correct any factual errors, if any remain (one was corrected, certainly,
>although I left in the original error to show the correction)
>* Discuss the issue and motivations
>I do not intend on flaming anyone, although I'm interested in what you
>Joseph B. Ottinger       
>                    IT Consultant
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