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From "Chanoch" <>
Subject RE: [VOTE] How should Tiles be refactored?How
Date Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:04:23 GMT
If this list turns into another Tomcat dev abuse list I think it will be
put many people off - I don't think these types of comments are
contructive in any way - i.e. they don't contribute to the effort or the
list and you are therefore guilty of the crime you accuse Eddie of.

If you have a different way of saying what you want from him then
perhaps that would be helpful.



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-----Original Message-----
From: Trieu, Danny [] 
Sent: 18 October 2002 16:32
To: 'Struts Developers List'
Subject: RE: [VOTE] How should Tiles be refactored?How


I am a long time Struts/Tiles users, and I response to this group once
in a while or when needed too. Just because I seemly bussy with my daily
work.  I have high respect for the 'OG' Struts contributors, lik Craig,
Ted, Cedric, and many others group users, whose believe in making a
different in raising web application development to a higher standard.
Every since I see your name appear on the list, I Starting to wonder???
Eddie, beside 'entertaining' people do you have any other thing to do?
May be, A real Job?.....


Ps. If I've offended anyone, I am sorry !!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Eddie Bush [] 
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 7:02 AM
To: Struts Developers List
Subject: Re: [VOTE] How should Tiles be refactored?How

Cedric Dumoulin wrote:

> Eddie Bush wrote:
>> Hi again, Cedric :-)
>> We need to "hurry" 1.1, and the only way I see to do that is for each

>> of us to agree to seperatism in 1.1 - understanding and *expecting* 
>> that 1.2 will be our chance to solve the problems we wanted to solve 
>> in 1.1 but couldn't (because of time).
>  I am sorry, but I still disagree on the "separatism" point ;-). Or 
> maybe we don't understand the same thing by "separatism". Tiles is a 
> framework to share common piece of work. You can't say now: Tiles 
> allow to share work, but you still have to duplicate when you use 
> module !

I'm going to shut up now :-)  I was just looking at ways to expedite

>  The Ted's proposal is a good starting point. We need now to check if 
> it fulfill simple needs, and if there is no incompatibility with 
> complex cases. I will check that with existing applications. 
> Implementing it doesn't seem too complicated.

Even having seperatism in 1.1 would be better than the current support 
non-default modules have -- wouldn't you agree?  It's one step in the 
right direction.  I *do* realize what I suggest is less than desirable 
-- and I personally wouldn't complain if you commited code that gave us 
something better -- but we should be focused primarily on 1.1F having 
modules that work - even if not as "fully" as we'd like (ie. there is 
not sharing).

>  Cedric

As I said, I'm going to shut up and find something else to fix.  It 
sounds like you have this well in-hand, and "discussing it to death" is 
just going to prolong the process of effecting whatever change comes.

Eddie Bush

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