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From "Byrne, Steven" <>
Subject RE: The state of 1.1 Beta 2
Date Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:37:04 GMT
I think as much as we would like to think that new users trying out
Struts will understand what the term "beta" means, I believe reality is
that there will be a lot of negative impressions formed by having what's
very likely to be the first webapp that newbies will try out fail on
them.  It gives the impression of lack of quality and attention to
detail; imagine how you'd look at it: "Geez, if they can't even get
their simple examples to work right, how can I have any faith that this
is really viable technology, even after 1.1 is finally released".  

I know everyone on the development team is anxious to have b2 out, and I
understand it can be a little frustrating to have to wait until this is
fixed.  But in the grand scheme of things, waiting a few days until this
problem is fixed and having a more polished system is well worth it.  If
this week weren't so bad for me timewise, I'd fix the blank webapp and
try to tackle the broken tiles links; if it can wait until next week I
can promise to produce these patches.  

Please consider very carefully the full ramifications of having Struts
get a "black eye" from having glaring out of the box problems.  It's
been a while since b1 was released, I would imagine there will be a
spate of reviews that talk about what's new in b2, and I can see each of
them saying things like "while there are a lot of new features in b2,
the fact that even their simplest example application doesn't work
should give the intrepid developer pause to consider whether this
technology is really ready for prime time..." blah blah blah.

Folks -- you've worked too hard on this system to let it go out like
this with a simple, repairable, relatively glaring problem like this.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig R. McClanahan []
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:03 AM
> To: Struts Developers List
> Subject: RE: The state of 1.1 Beta 2
> On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 wrote:
> > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:05:07 -0400
> > From:
> > Reply-To: Struts Developers List <>
> > To:
> > Subject: RE: The state of 1.1 Beta 2
> >
> >
> > For what I am worth, I would agree with fixing the 
> blank-webapp...  I
> > encountered this early on and it was very frusterating when 
> I started
> > learning struts (i assumed the blank-app was configured correctly).
> >
> Nobody is arguing that doing this would be a waste of time.  
> What's most
> important is for someone to take the time to *do* it.  Patches are
> welcome!
> Given that this is a beta release, however, I'm not convinced 
> that this
> issue should be used to hold up all the people who would be 
> willing to use
> a beta release for testing (but not a nightly build) to get us more
> feedback on bugs that need to be fixed.
> Craig
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeremy []
> > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:17 AM
> > To: struts-dev
> > Subject: Re: The state of 1.1 Beta 2
> >
> >
> > My 2-cents......
> >
> > Many people who will start using struts will use the latest
> > beta release.....and start with the struts-blank webapp.
> > Havning this not working is going to discourage a lot of
> > first timer's away from the project, as well as second
> > timer's waiting for a more stable release.  I would say that
> > some of the problems listed below definitely warrent holding
> > up the beta 2 release.
> >
> > toodles....
> >

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