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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Maturity Model Assessment
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Thanks Ate=21

On April 10, 2017 at 2:35:39 PM, Ate Douma (ate=40douma.nu) wrote:
On 2017-04-10 04:09, sblackmon wrote: =20
> This thread went quiet during and following the 0.5 release, so I=E2=80=
=99ll try to wrap it up now. =20
> =20
> If anyone has any last changes they want to make to the AMMA, or want t=
o suggest others make, prior to initiating a graduation vote, please do s=
o in the next 48 hours. =20

What happens in 48 hours=3F =20


(Hopefully) We=E2=80=99ll have the full list of all the immediate tasks w=
e want to perform before we share the AMMA with the incubator, sooner or =
later.

Concerning the AMMA, I read through it again and have several remarks:=C2=
=A0
I will either knock these out directly, incorporate them as notes in the =
document, or open up tickets under the 0.5.1 sprint. =C2=A0I=E2=80=99ll s=
end a follow-up on this thread once that process is complete.


- CD20: Link to website is broken (referring to /site/latest/)=C2=A0
Same goes for a few other website links (RE10, CS10)=C2=A0

- CD30: Somehow it looks to me that a 'howto' build (with) Streams is now=
 more=C2=A0
fragments/unclear than before. The only practical instructions (for=C2=A0=

users) is now (only=3F) on the Examples page.=C2=A0
IMO the =22=46or Users=22 and =22=46or Developers=22 menu's really lack a=
n intro=C2=A0
page *explaining* what to install, and why.=C2=A0

- LC20: It might be useful to list or reference the actual required 3rd p=
arty=C2=A0
dependencies, based upon the latest 0.5 (or 0.5.1) release.=C2=A0

- RE50: points to a release-guide from Apache Beam, not the one from Stre=
ams=C2=A0

- QU10: while maybe not the right item to link this to, but as it mention=
s=C2=A0
JIRA usage, I'd like to remark the following:=C2=A0

IMO many/most of the current JIRA tickets are lacking a proper=C2=A0
description *why* certain tasks/changes should be done.=C2=A0
While for some this is discussed on the dev list, others are not or=C2=A0=

only minimally so. This makes it really difficult to understand=C2=A0
what's going on, how 'good' or 'bad' these changes might be (from=C2=A0
a quality POV for example), and likewise difficult to join/connect=C2=A0
to the project from community perspective.=C2=A0
It would be good to improve in this area, and more concretely, maybe=C2=A0=

put this in a documented Coding/Contribution Policy=3F=C2=A0

- QU20: How / where is this documented/explained=3F A=46AIK it is not, ye=
t.=C2=A0
QU30 Many projects do have a dedicated page or section explaining how=C2=A0=

security issues are handled.=C2=A0

- QU40: <empty>. Can we say anything about this, for example referring to=
=C2=A0
semantic versioning with regards to backwards compatibility handling=3F=C2=
=A0

- CO10: Besides relevant remarks above, and a link to the AMMA, a link to=
 the=C2=A0
wiki itself is missing as well.=C2=A0

- CO20: Contribution guide indeed would be good, IMO needed, to be added.=
=C2=A0
CO30 A simple/effective example, or starting point:=C2=A0
CO50 http://airavata.apache.org/get-involved.html=C2=A0
CS30=C2=A0

The above remarks are mostly strong suggestions for improvements/fixes, a=
nd not=C2=A0
all need to be resolved before graduation. But neither should it take a l=
ot of=C2=A0
time to address most of them.=C2=A0

Regards,=C2=A0
Ate=C2=A0


>=C2=A0
> Thanks,=C2=A0
> sblackmon=40apache.org=C2=A0
>=C2=A0
> On =46ebruary 22, 2017 at 10:43:17 PM, Joey =46razee (joey.frazee=40icl=
oud.com) wrote:=C2=A0
>=C2=A0
> =40suneel + =40all I=E2=80=99ll be RM for this. I=E2=80=99ve gone throu=
gh a dry run of all the release steps on the current master so should be =
ready to run it for real tomorrow.=C2=A0
>=C2=A0
> -joey=C2=A0
>=C2=A0
> On =46eb 13, 2017, 11:26 AM -0600, Suneel Marthi <smarthi=40apache.org>=
, wrote:=C2=A0
>> 0.5-incubating: We are down to about 10 jiras all of which are either=C2=
=A0
>> process documentation and web site changes. It would be good to have e=
ither=C2=A0
>> =40M=46ranklin or =40Joey don the Release Meister hats for next releas=
e.=C2=A0
>>=C2=A0
>> AMMA: The podling now satisfies most of the line items in AMMA and the=
 few=C2=A0
>> remaining blanks will be addressed in the run up to the next planned=C2=
=A0
>> release.=C2=A0
>>=C2=A0
>>=C2=A0
>>=C2=A0
>> On Mon, =46eb 13, 2017 at 12:17 PM, sblackmon <sblackmon=40apache.org>=
 wrote:=C2=A0
>>=C2=A0
>>> Hello,=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>>> =46ollowing up on this thread - completing the Apache Maturity Model=C2=
=A0
>>> Assessment and proposing graduation.=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>>> Thank you Suneel for contributing to the AMMA in December and January=
.=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>>> Everyone else - please take a look and contribute comments or changes=
 in=C2=A0
>>> the document, on this thread, and/or add tickets in JIRA.=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>>> This is the time to call out any areas where you think we should make=
=C2=A0
>>> adjustments prior to a graduation vote.=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>>> The plan is to perform 0.5-incubating release by the end of =46ebruar=
y, so=C2=A0
>>> now is a great time to fit in improvement to POMs and documentation.=C2=
=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>>> Thanks,=C2=A0
>>> Steve=C2=A0
>>> On January 26, 2017 at 12:06:05 PM, sblackmon (sblackmon=40apache.org=
)=C2=A0
>>> wrote:=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>>> Happy 2017 Streams committers and well-wishers.=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>>> =46or those unfamiliar, the Apache Maturity Model Assessment is a=C2=A0=

>>> essentially a checklist assessment of project health based on many of=
 the=C2=A0
>>> principles of the Apache Software =46oundation.=C2=A0
>>> http://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.=
html=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>>> I=E2=80=99ve started an AMMA for Streams here:=C2=A0
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/STREAMS/Apache+Maturity+M=
odel+=C2=A0
>>> Assessment+for+Streams=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>>> All in all, Streams already stacks up pretty well against the =7E35 i=
tems on=C2=A0
>>> the AMMA. There are some gaps - and opportunities to improve of cours=
e.=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>>> I think we have reached the point where the project can make a strong=
 case=C2=A0
>>> to graduate to TLP, following a concerted effort to address the gaps =
that=C2=A0
>>> remain.=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>>> So my ask to everyone is:=C2=A0
>>> - review and bookmark the Streams AMMA doc in confluence.=C2=A0
>>> - confirm that you have edit or at least comment privileges. let me k=
now=C2=A0
>>> if you don=E2=80=99t.=C2=A0
>>> - prepare and share notes on any areas of concern to you personally=C2=
=A0
>>> - identify and share specific ideas that we could act on to improve o=
ur=C2=A0
>>> score on any items, especially those where we are falling short of a=C2=
=A0
>>> definitive YES.=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>>> Personally I want to see the project achieve TLP status prior to Apac=
heCon=C2=A0
>>> NA 2017, after one more major release.=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>>> I will respond personally to any feedback on this and future related=C2=
=A0
>>> threads, and reach out to the list regarding our progress about once =
a week=C2=A0
>>> from here on out to push us forward.=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>>> Thanks in advance for your support.=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>>> Steve=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>>> On November 25, 2016 at 12:21:50 PM, Steve Blackmon (steve=40blackmon=
.org)=C2=A0
>>> wrote:=C2=A0
>>> On Nov 25, 2016 11:58 AM, =22Suneel Marthi=22 <suneel.marthi=40gmail.=
com> wrote:=C2=A0
>>>>=C2=A0
>>>> Thanks for starting this =40sblackmon.=C2=A0
>>>>=C2=A0
>>>> Could we make 2 releases (both releases managed by folks =21=3D =22s=
blackmon=22).=C2=A0
>>>>=C2=A0
>>>> Since the recent 0.4 release, there have been minor bug fixes and=C2=
=A0
>>>> performance improvements, we could cut a release in the next one wee=
k -=C2=A0
>>>> call it 0.4.1.=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>>> I think all of the changes that have merged are suitable for a minor=C2=
=A0
>>> release. There were changes made to the facebook module translations,=
 but=C2=A0
>>> those had fallen out of sync with the provider to the point that docu=
ments=C2=A0
>>> coming out of the 0.4 release providers were missing a ton of useful=C2=
=A0
>>> informaton. So i think we can make an exception to the a general=C2=A0=

>>> preference to not change data schemas in a non-backwards compatible w=
ay in=C2=A0
>>> a minor release.=C2=A0
>>> +1=C2=A0
>>>>=C2=A0
>>>> We do have a planned major release 0.5 for end of December.=C2=A0
>>>>=C2=A0
>>>> The idea is to have more frequent releases to demonstrate maturity i=
n the=C2=A0
>>>> release process and each release managed by a different Release Meis=
ter.=C2=A0
>>>>=C2=A0
>>> +1=C2=A0
>>>> Thoughts=3F=C2=A0
>>>>=C2=A0
>>>>=C2=A0
>>>> On =46ri, Nov 25, 2016 at 12:35 PM, sblackmon <sblackmon=40apache.or=
g=C2=A0
>>> wrote:=C2=A0
>>>>=C2=A0
>>>>> Hello,=C2=A0
>>>>>=C2=A0
>>>>> Last week at ApacheCon EU I attended a walkthrough about the Apache=
=C2=A0
>>>>> Maturity Model =5B1=5D=C2=A0
>>>>>=C2=A0
>>>>> As we close in on graduation, it should be helpful to evaluate the=C2=
=A0
>>> project=C2=A0
>>>>> against the Maturity Model and work to close any gaps we see.=C2=A0=

>>>>>=C2=A0
>>>>> To help start this effort, I=E2=80=99ve created a page on the wiki =
with a draft=C2=A0
>>>>> assessment, and some notes for discussion in italics.=C2=A0
>>>>>=C2=A0
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/STREAMS/=C2=A0
>>> Apache+Maturity+Model+=C2=A0
>>>>> Assessment+for+Streams=C2=A0
>>>>>=C2=A0
>>>>> Please take a look - if you have thoughts to contribute please do s=
o in=C2=A0
>>>>> this thread or edit the wiki page directly (LMK if you need=C2=A0
>>> permissions to=C2=A0
>>>>> view or edit)=C2=A0
>>>>>=C2=A0
>>>>> Cheers,=C2=A0
>>>>> Steve=C2=A0
>>>>>=C2=A0
>>>>> =5B1=5D http://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-=C2=A0=

>>>>> maturity-model.html=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>=C2=A0


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