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From: Steve Blackmon <sblackmon@apache.org>
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 20:31:34 -0500
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Community - call for help [Was: Setting priorities for
 our next few releases]
To: Suneel Marthi <smarthi@apache.org>
Cc: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, Benjamin Young <byoung@bigbluehat.com>
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Will do. I was leaving vote open for the full 72 hour duration. Is that
optional once a quorum to release is reached?

On Sep 30, 2016 6:20 PM, "Suneel Marthi" <smarthi@apache.org> wrote:

> @Steve I see 3 +1 binding iPMC votes for 0.3-incubating release, u may
> want to close the vote and finalize the release.
>
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 9:30 PM, sblackmon <sblackmon@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Suneel!
>>
>> One key point from the original thread was the need to have a shared
>> vision of what improvements would position the project well for communit=
y
>> and user growth over the short and medium term.
>>
>> I=E2=80=99ve begun adding issues in line with the themes I mentioned and
>> associating them to the releases labelled 0.4 - 0.6 and intend to come b=
ack
>> to the list with some proposals shortly.
>>
>> One thing you could help with immediately is to validate our
>> 0.3-incubating release and contribute an IPMC vote over on general.
>>
>>
>> On September 29, 2016 at 5:46:43 PM, Suneel Marthi (smarthi@apache.org)
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ate and Steve,
>>
>> I will be glad to contribute code too and be more involved in keeping th=
e
>> project moving. If u could point me to jiras I could tackle I'll get
>> started on that.
>>
>> Suneel
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 2:26 AM, Ate Douma <ate@douma.nu> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Steve, community, silent followers,
>> >
>> > In general the proposal and suggestions from Steve are all good steps
>> > forward.
>> >
>> > But I'm for now top posting and forking that discussion to try address
>> > everyone
>> > in the community directly, because I think there are other and more
>> > critical
>> > actions needed to make clear to the Incubator PMC that cancelling of
>> this
>> > project retirement will not end up to be just a temporary pause.
>> >
>> > The first and highest priority action should be getting more and
>> diverse
>> > involvement and active participation from the community.
>> > The steps suggested by Steve are definitely helpful and needed as well=
.
>> > But it just as well might end up remaining a one man's task list...
>> >
>> > Instead, we need to get more active input and suggestions/questions
>> from
>> > others
>> > in the community, like Joey, our new mentor Suneel, and hopefully as
>> well
>> > from
>> > the W3C ActivityStream 2.0 working group people, like Benjamin Young.
>> >
>> > And we need not just 'talk' feedback, but actual interest and
>> participation
>> > with concrete contributions.
>> > (Suneel: I know you signed up just to mentor, which of course also is
>> > needed)
>> >
>> > We need to see and show serious promise for growth of the project
>> > community to
>> > the IPMC, and in a reasonable short time frame (a few months at most).
>> > Without that I think the changes of getting this project back on its
>> feet
>> > will
>> > remain unrealistic, and then better be stopped.
>> >
>> > This also was indicated by the request from John Ament (the Incubator
>> > Chair), to
>> > switch back to monthly reporting for the coming 3 months, so the IPMC
>> can
>> > monitor the progress and chances for success. And if not, probably wil=
l
>> > decide
>> > (or at least vote) for a final retirement after all.
>> > I agree with John this make perfectly sense, and I'll update the
>> reporting
>> > schedule for Streams shortly to make it so.
>> >
>> > Meaning: a next Incubator board report will need to be delivered
>> monthly
>> > for
>> > at least the coming 3 months.
>> > We better make sure there is positive news to report :-)
>> >
>> > I also cc'ed Benjamin Young (who AFAIK hasn't subscribed to this list)
>> > to see what ideas he has and what concrete actions can take in getting
>> the
>> > W3C
>> > ActivityStreams 2.0 people involved as well.
>> >
>> > And I'm explicitly calling out to the mostly silent community,
>> including
>> > the
>> > other committers, to speak up and let us know what you might be able t=
o
>> do
>> > for
>> > the project *now*: ideas, feedback, testing, maybe even code
>> contributions?
>> >
>> > Kind regards, Ate
>> >
>> > On 2016-09-28 22:00, sblackmon wrote:
>> >
>> >> All,
>> >>
>> >> Joey brought this up over the weekend and I think a discussion is
>> overdue
>> >> on the topic.
>> >>
>> >> Encouraging community growth and performing regular releases are on
>> our
>> >> list of graduation criteria.
>> >>
>> >> A few easy behaviors we can adopt to take to make progress on these
>> goals:
>> >> - planning release versions around one or two significant improvement=
s
>> >> - setting target dates to kick off upcoming releases
>> >> - prioritizing our backlog after each release
>> >> - discussing project and community milestones openly on the list
>> >> - organizing JIRA so that all contributors (especially new) can decid=
e
>> >> where it=E2=80=99s most important to focus their efforts
>> >>
>> >> I think to get things moving again and demonstrate we are capable of
>> >> consistent progress, we should aim to perform a release once per mont=
h
>> >> around the end of the month.
>> >>
>> >> As for what to focus on, I think it=E2=80=99s time to discuss adoptin=
g
>> Activity
>> >> Streams 2.0, figure out what form that transition would take, and get
>> >> started down that path. Working implementations demonstrate the
>> >> suitability of the standard and drive it=E2=80=99s adoption, and the =
prospects
>> of
>> >> this project are closely tied to those of the standard. Separate
>> DISCUSS
>> >> coming on this topic.
>> >>
>> >> Also important for the =E2=80=98reboot=E2=80=99 theme, we should dele=
te any modules we
>> >> aren=E2=80=99t going to maintain, and bring all modules we are going =
to
>> maintain up
>> >> to acceptable standards - exactly what that means is an open question
>> but
>> >> broadly they should have documentation, code comments, and tests at
>> the
>> >> level of a typical module in a typical TLP.
>> >>
>> >> Expanding the examples to demonstrate how to use streams providers an=
d
>> >> processors within various execution engines and fixing any bugs that
>> have
>> >> been reported is desirable as well. Adding at least one new example
>> per
>> >> release is a good target for now.
>> >>
>> >> I have created some future versions with target release dates in JIRA
>> and
>> >> invite all committers to associate existing or new issues with those
>> >> releases, or anyone who can=E2=80=99t modify JIRA to summarize their =
thoughts
>> and
>> >> share with the list and I will incorporate those ideas into JIRA. Thi=
s
>> >> should be the default reference for anyone looking for a way to help =
-
>> look
>> >> at issues associated with the next few releases and the top of the
>> backlog
>> >> and pick something that appeals and is in line with your experience.
>> >>
>> >> Anything else that should be a top priority for the rest of the year?
>> Or
>> >> other ideas on improving planning and coordination?
>> >>
>> >> Steve
>> >>
>> >> On September 24, 2016 at 1:01:02 PM, apache (sblackmon@apache.org)
>> wrote:
>> >> - This has already come up, but maybe ActivityStreams 2.0 support
>> would
>> >> broaden the community and motivate more work. It's also a concrete
>> >> goal to work toward so people would know where they can start.
>> >> - Steve and I did a little work here a few months ago, but the JIRA
>> could
>> >> reflect the priorities better and I think keep the community working
>> in a
>> >> common direction.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>

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