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From Suneel Marthi <smar...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
Date Fri, 23 Sep 2016 15:50:29 GMT
I would echo Benjamin again. While in all honestly, I might not be able to
dedicate any time in Streams development given that I am fully engaged in 4
other Apache projects, I would like to join this project as a mentor and
help steer this to TLP.

Here's a video of Steve's talk in Berlin from last week btw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlU1h0SV4SQ







On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Benjamin Young <byoung@bigbluehat.com>
wrote:

> I am currently sitting in the W3C’s Social Web Working Group’s
> face-to-face meeting and have just finished discussing features of
> ActivityStreams 2.0:
>
> https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/
>
>
>
> The Social Web WG is nearing the end of it’s charter, and preparing to
> ship the AS2.0 spec—which could be an opportunity for the Apache Streams
> community to get back on its feet.
>
>
>
> Had I known this group was in danger of shut-down, I would have done more
> this week (at the W3C’s big face-to-face meeting: TPAC). I even gave a
> presentation on getting W3C folks involved in ASF projects and vice versa.
>
>
>
> There is great opportunity yet untapped for combining W3C and ASF
> activities, and I’d hate to see this project disappear before such a major
> moment in the chronology of ActivityStreams 2.0.
>
>
>
> To that end, I’d like to know how I might help “jump start” the Apache
> Streams (incubating) project and will certainly be pointing all W3C arrows
> this direction.
>
>
>
> So: Please don’t close this group before more cross engagement with the
> Social Web WG and the ActivityStreams 2.0 community has happened.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Benjamin
>
>
>
> --
> http://bigbluehat.com/
> http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung
>
>
>
> From: apache<mailto:sblackmon@apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 4:15 PM
> To: Ate Douma<mailto:ate@douma.nu>; dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
> <mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org>
> Cc: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>
>
>
> On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu) wrote:
> On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:
> > I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for
> social web
> > data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has taught
> me a
> > lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as
> Ate
> > points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and
> has all
> > but disappeared in 2016.
> >
> > I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer
> as a
> > mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active participants
> I can
> > envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative, it
> should be
> > retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.
> >
> Hi Steve,
>
> Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally decided, as
> there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it does
> look
> like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.
>
> You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and with the
> openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.
> That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course
> disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.
>
>
> Thanks for saying so.  There has been a lot of good work from the
> committers involved but not all efforts ultimately succeed.
>
> I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing to and
> joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine
> Apache
> committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, but
> also
> as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!
>
>
> Thanks for saying so.  I’m not going anywhere.  #bigdata is what I do and
> ASF is where it happens.
>
> > I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today.
>
> I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend, which
> if OK
> and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final incubating
> release for Apache Stream.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on
> dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
>
> Kind regards, Ate
>
> >
> > Steve Blackmon
> > sblackmon@apache.org
> >
> > On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu
> > <mailto:ate@douma.nu>) wrote:
> >
> >> On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:
> >> > I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk
> last week
> >> > in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink.
> >> >
> >> > It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about
> the
> >> > Streams project.
> >>
> >> Good to hear that!
> >> I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the
> >> > project some more time before calling the attic ?
> >>
> >> Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community
> >> involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.
> >> Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the
> >> project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.
> >> However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and
> rally some
> >> additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to
> postpone/cancel
> >> the retirement VOTE for now.
> >>
> >> I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know
> >> what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out.
> >>
> >> Regards, Ate
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <ate@douma.nu> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Ate,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement
> guide.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Right.
> >> >>> Thanks for pointing this out John.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked
> this
> >> >>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement.
> >> >>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be
> taken down,
> >> >>> instead of flagged as being retired.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on
> dev@streams
> >> >>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this
> >> >>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page.
> >> >>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice
> what
> >> >>> the retirement entails.
> >> >>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either)
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think
> I it is
> >> >> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams
> >> >> with the
> >> >> link to the podling retirement guide.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on
> general@
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Ate
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> John
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <ate@douma.nu>
wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after
I
> first
> >> >>>>> initiated a
> >> >>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in
zero
> feedback.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Ate
> >> >>>>> (Streams mentor)
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> >> >>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
> >> >>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
> >> >>>>> From: Ate Douma <ate@douma.nu>
> >> >>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <
> dev@streams.incubator.apache.org>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets
> formally
> >> >>>>> vote on
> >> >>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
> >> >>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
> >> >>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please
add
> >> >>>>> justification]
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Ate
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
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> org
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

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