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From Suneel Marthi <smar...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
Date Fri, 23 Sep 2016 17:49:32 GMT
Thanks, will follow up on general@

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Ate Douma <ate@douma.nu> wrote:

> On 2016-09-23 17:50, Suneel Marthi wrote:
>
>> I would echo Benjamin again. While in all honestly, I might not be able to
>> dedicate any time in Streams development given that I am fully engaged in
>> 4
>> other Apache projects, I would like to join this project as a mentor and
>> help
>> steer this to TLP.
>>
>
> That is a great offer Suneel and I'd welcome you to become mentor of Apache
> Streams.
>
> Not sure about the proper process for this, but I think all this requires
> is
> that you say so (or at least request) on general@ and we then can add you
> to the project status page [1]
>
> Ate
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/streams.html
>
>
>> Here's a video of Steve's talk in Berlin from last week
>> btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlU1h0SV4SQ
>>
>
> Cool, I'll watch it later this weekend.
> @Steve: might it be useful to put a link on the Streams website?
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Benjamin Young <byoung@bigbluehat.com
>> <mailto:byoung@bigbluehat.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     I am currently sitting in the W3C’s Social Web Working Group’s
>> face-to-face
>>     meeting and have just finished discussing features of ActivityStreams
>> 2.0:
>>
>>     https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/
>>     <https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/>
>>
>>
>>
>>     The Social Web WG is nearing the end of it’s charter, and preparing
>> to ship
>>     the AS2.0 spec—which could be an opportunity for the Apache Streams
>>     community to get back on its feet.
>>
>>
>>
>>     Had I known this group was in danger of shut-down, I would have done
>> more
>>     this week (at the W3C’s big face-to-face meeting: TPAC). I even gave a
>>     presentation on getting W3C folks involved in ASF projects and vice
>> versa.
>>
>>
>>
>>     There is great opportunity yet untapped for combining W3C and ASF
>>     activities, and I’d hate to see this project disappear before such a
>> major
>>     moment in the chronology of ActivityStreams 2.0.
>>
>>
>>
>>     To that end, I’d like to know how I might help “jump start” the Apache
>>     Streams (incubating) project and will certainly be pointing all W3C
>> arrows
>>     this direction.
>>
>>
>>
>>     So: Please don’t close this group before more cross engagement with
>> the
>>     Social Web WG and the ActivityStreams 2.0 community has happened.
>>
>>
>>
>>     Thanks!
>>
>>     Benjamin
>>
>>
>>
>>     --
>>     http://bigbluehat.com/
>>     http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung <http://linkedin.com/in/benjam
>> inyoung>
>>
>>
>>
>>     From: apache<mailto:sblackmon@apache.org <mailto:sblackmon@apache.org
>> >>
>>     Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 4:15 PM
>>     To: Ate Douma<mailto:ate@douma.nu <mailto:ate@douma.nu>>;
>>     dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
>>     <mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org><mailto:dev@streams
>> .incubator.apache.org
>>     <mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org>>
>>     Cc: general@incubator.apache.org
>>     <mailto:general@incubator.apache.org><mailto:general@incubat
>> or.apache.org
>>     <mailto:general@incubator.apache.org>>
>>     Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>>
>>
>>
>>     On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu
>>
>>     <mailto:ate@douma.nu>) wrote:
>>     On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:
>>     > I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for
>> social web
>>     > data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has
>> taught me a
>>     > lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but
>> as Ate
>>     > points out the community around this podling has never been healthy
>> and
>>     has all
>>     > but disappeared in 2016.
>>     >
>>     > I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to
>> volunteer as a
>>     > mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active
>> participants I can
>>     > envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative,
>> it should be
>>     > retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.
>>     >
>>     Hi Steve,
>>
>>     Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally
>> decided, as
>>     there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it
>> does look
>>     like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.
>>
>>     You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and
>> with the
>>     openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.
>>     That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course
>>     disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.
>>
>>
>>     Thanks for saying so.  There has been a lot of good work from the
>> committers
>>     involved but not all efforts ultimately succeed.
>>
>>     I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing
>> to and
>>     joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine
>> Apache
>>     committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy,
>> but also
>>     as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!
>>
>>
>>     Thanks for saying so.  I’m not going anywhere.  #bigdata is what I do
>> and
>>     ASF is where it happens.
>>
>>     > I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later
>> today.
>>
>>     I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend,
>> which if OK
>>     and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final
>> incubating
>>     release for Apache Stream.
>>     Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>     I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on
>>     dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <mailto:dev@streams.incubator.
>> apache.org>
>>
>>     Kind regards, Ate
>>
>>     >
>>     > Steve Blackmon
>>     > sblackmon@apache.org <mailto:sblackmon@apache.org>
>>     >
>>     > On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu
>>     <mailto:ate@douma.nu>
>>     > <mailto:ate@douma.nu <mailto:ate@douma.nu>>) wrote:
>>     >
>>     >> On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:
>>     >> > I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's
>> talk last week
>>     >> > in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink.
>>     >> >
>>     >> > It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly
>> about the
>>     >> > Streams project.
>>     >>
>>     >> Good to hear that!
>>     >> I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.
>>     >>
>>     >> >
>>     >> > Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving
>> the
>>     >> > project some more time before calling the attic ?
>>     >>
>>     >> Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active
>> community
>>     >> involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.
>>     >> Community building and involvement really is the primary problem
>> for the
>>     >> project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.
>>     >> However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and
>> rally some
>>     >> additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to
>>     postpone/cancel
>>     >> the retirement VOTE for now.
>>     >>
>>     >> I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
>>     <mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org>, let us know
>>     >> what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works
>> out.
>>     >>
>>     >> Regards, Ate
>>     >>
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <ate@douma.nu
>>     <mailto:ate@douma.nu>> wrote:
>>     >> >
>>     >> >> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>>> Ate,
>>     >> >>>>
>>     >> >>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's
>> retirement guide.
>>     >> >>>>
>>     >> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>>     <http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html>
>>     >> >>>>
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>> Right.
>>     >> >>> Thanks for pointing this out John.
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and
>> overlooked this
>>     >> >>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement.
>>     >> >>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website
will be
>> taken
>>     down,
>>     >> >>> instead of flagged as being retired.
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread
on
>> dev@streams
>>     >> >>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again,
>> this
>>     >> >>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page.
>>     >> >>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper
>> notice what
>>     >> >>> the retirement entails.
>>     >> >>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no
rush
>> either)
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly,
I
>> think I
>>     it is
>>     >> >> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on
>> dev@streams
>>     >> >> with the
>>     >> >> link to the podling retirement guide.
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement
here
>> on general@
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>> Ate
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>>> John
>>     >> >>>>
>>     >> >>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <ate@douma.nu
>>     <mailto:ate@douma.nu>> wrote:
>>     >> >>>>
>>     >> >>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams,
after
>> I first
>>     >> >>>>> initiated a
>>     >> >>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted
in
>> zero feedback.
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>> Ate
>>     >> >>>>> (Streams mentor)
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>     >> >>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>>     >> >>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
>>     >> >>>>> From: Ate Douma <ate@douma.nu <mailto:ate@douma.nu>>
>>     >> >>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
>>     <mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org> <
>> dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
>>     <mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org>>
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread,
lets
>> formally
>>     >> >>>>> vote on
>>     >> >>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/proces
>> s.html
>>     <http://attic.apache.org/process.html>
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
>>     >> >>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
>>     >> >>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because...
[please
>> add
>>     >> >>>>> justification]
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>> Ate
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>>
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>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>>
>>     >> >>>>
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>
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