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From Paul Fremantle <p...@wso2.com>
Subject Re: Messaging protocol with Stratos python cartridge agent
Date Tue, 02 Sep 2014 08:19:27 GMT
Can you post an example of the headers and body?

Paul


On 2 September 2014 09:17, Gayan Gunarathne <gayang@wso2.com> wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> Currently we have existing java based message publisher with the headers.
> Here we try to use those published messages with the python client. If we
> use JSON structured message with  headers enclosed we have to change all
> other current implementations as well. AFAIK We will distinguished the
> messages with their header value.So my point is if we used this sort of
> JSON structure for messages, we need to change all the current messaging
> model.
>
> OTOH with the Stomp protocol with python client we were able to get those
> header values and used those messages as it is.
>
> Thanks,
> Gayan
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Paul Fremantle <paul@wso2.com> wrote:
>
>> What headers do you need to pass?
>>
>> The way of doing headers with MQTT is to use a structured message (e.g.
>> JSON) and put some headers into the JSON.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On 2 September 2014 07:58, Gayan Gunarathne <gayang@wso2.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> We did some analysis regarding the MQTT protocol as well.Following are
>>> our findings regarding the MQTT.
>>>
>>> MQTT is low bandwidth consumption messaging protocol which
>>> supports pub/sub protocol with the following limitations.
>>>
>>>    - It has fixed header (2 bytes) . Specifications mentioning that it
>>>    can be extended.But AFAIU clients[1] didn't support for this header
>>>    extension. We have checked the MQTT with the messages published with
>>>    headers and we didn't receive the header on those.Only receive the message
>>>    body.
>>>    - The payload size for a MQTT message is 256MB.I guess design point
>>>    for MQTT usage is targeted at more constrained devices.[3]. MQTT is better
>>>    at a high volume of low size messages.
>>>    - It is supports only topic.This will not be a issue currently in
>>>    our scenario as we used only topic currently AFAIK.[4]
>>>
>>>
>>> I guess it build with above limitations and it is very good choice for
>>> the mobile and small application as it is very lightweight and low
>>> power.[5] WDYT?
>>>
>>> Please share your thoughts on this.
>>>
>>> [1] https://pypi.python.org/pypi/paho-mqtt
>>> [2[ https://github.com/iwanbk/nyamuk
>>> [3] http://stephendnicholas.com/archives/1217
>>> [4] http://www.mqtechconference.com/sessions_v2013/MQTC_v2013_MQTT.pdf
>>> [5]
>>> http://blogs.vmware.com/vfabric/2013/02/choosing-your-messaging-protocol-amqp-mqtt-or-stomp.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Gayan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Gayan Gunarathne <gayang@wso2.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Paul.
>>>>
>>>> We will check on this paho-mgtt python library as well.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Gayan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Paul Fremantle <paul@wso2.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Python has excellent pure python MQTT support.
>>>>>
>>>>> > pip install paho-mqtt
>>>>>
>>>>> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/paho-mqtt
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 September 2014 11:40, Gayan Gunarathne <gayang@wso2.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here we try to connect the our existing Apache ActiveMQ with the
pure
>>>>>> python.(We try to replace our java cartridge agent with the python
>>>>>> as after that we can remove the java dependency from the cartridge
itself).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the initial research we didn't notice such a pure python libraries
>>>>>> with the MQTT  which can connect with the ActiveMQ. Also with the
initial
>>>>>> reading I guess they are recommend it for the mobile applications
as its
>>>>>> low bandwidth consumption.Also I am noticed lot of web socket based
>>>>>> applications are developed through MQTT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Gayan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Paul Fremantle <paul@wso2.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you looked at mqtt?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>> On 1 Sep 2014 12:10, "Gayan Gunarathne" <gayang@wso2.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As per our initial research on the python based messaging
>>>>>>>> implementation of python cartridge agent and discussion[1]
we can summarize
>>>>>>>> our findings as following.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *1.AMQP*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apache ActiveMQ used the AMQP 1.0 protocol. We found C based
client
>>>>>>>> library (proton) [2] which can be used with python.
>>>>>>>> But it is a platform dependent library and every time we
need to
>>>>>>>> install the libraries based on the architecture and OS version.IMO
this
>>>>>>>> will be difficult us to manage as we need to install the
libraries based on
>>>>>>>> the platform.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Other python libraries(txAMQP ,pika etc) supports AMQP 0.9
which
>>>>>>>> fails to connect with the ActiveMQ.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *2.STOMP*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We can connect to the ActiveMQ with the STOMP protocol by
using the
>>>>>>>> STOMP python client library[3].IMO we can used STOMP with
ActiveMQ without
>>>>>>>> worry about the platform based library installation.By considering
our
>>>>>>>> scope of the cartridge agent I think it is better to have
a platform
>>>>>>>> independence cartridge as far as we can. Then, IMO STOMP
based messaging
>>>>>>>> queue implementation  will be more manageable when we increase
our number
>>>>>>>> of platform supported.
>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When comparing the performance of theses two protocols it
looks
>>>>>>>> like there are no such huge difference[4].I guess the performance
also
>>>>>>>> tightly coupled with the message broker you are using as
well.OTOH Apache
>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ recommended way also to used the STOMP with the
python[5].
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please share your thoughts on this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1] Stratos Python Cartridge Agent
>>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/qpid-proton
>>>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/jasonrbriggs/stomp.py
>>>>>>>> [4]
>>>>>>>> http://blogs.vmware.com/vfabric/2013/02/choosing-your-messaging-protocol-amqp-mqtt-or-stomp.html
>>>>>>>> [5] http://activemq.apache.org/python.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Gayan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gayan Gunarathne
>>>>>>>> Technical Lead
>>>>>>>> WSO2 Inc. (http://wso2.com)
>>>>>>>> email  : gayang@wso2.com  | mobile : +94 766819985
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gayan Gunarathne
>>>>>> Technical Lead
>>>>>> WSO2 Inc. (http://wso2.com)
>>>>>>  email  : gayang@wso2.com  | mobile : +94 766819985
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Paul Fremantle
>>>>> CTO and Co-Founder, WSO2
>>>>> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair, Apache Member
>>>>>
>>>>> UK: +44 207 096 0336
>>>>>
>>>>> blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org
>>>>> twitter.com/pzfreo
>>>>> paul@wso2.com
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Gayan Gunarathne
>>>> Technical Lead
>>>> WSO2 Inc. (http://wso2.com)
>>>> email  : gayang@wso2.com  | mobile : +94 766819985
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Gayan Gunarathne
>>> Technical Lead
>>> WSO2 Inc. (http://wso2.com)
>>> email  : gayang@wso2.com  | mobile : +94 766819985
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Paul Fremantle
>> CTO and Co-Founder, WSO2
>> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair, Apache Member
>>
>> UK: +44 207 096 0336
>>
>> blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org
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>> paul@wso2.com
>>
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>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Gayan Gunarathne
> Technical Lead
> WSO2 Inc. (http://wso2.com)
> email  : gayang@wso2.com  | mobile : +94 766819985
>
>



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OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair, Apache Member

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