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From Noah Slater <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Stratos for Graduation?
Date Sun, 23 Mar 2014 15:39:07 GMT
Here's the breakdown of our recruitment:


    Batch addition of 6 people, all with WSO2 history (I believe)


    Manula Chathurika Thantriwatte (WSO2, no IPMC notice)
    Udara Liyanage (WSO2)


    Imesh Gunaratne (WSO2)


    Pradeep Fernando (WSO2)


    Chris Snow (external)


    Melan Nimesh (WSO2)

People the IPMC were not directly notified about:

- Manula Chathurika Thantriwatte
- Udara Liyanage
- Imesh Gunaratne
- Pradeep Fernando
- Melan Nimesh
- Jason Daly

Please make sure you notify the IPMC every time you add a PMC member.
If you fail to notify the board in a similar fashion once you are a
TLP, your PMC members will not, in fact, be PMC members. :)


People who were not announced:

- Melan Nimesh (WSO2)

Why wasn't Melan announced?


The concern in November was that the PMC was too homogenous, and that
a good goal for the podling would be to diversify a bit and bring on
some external contributors to the PMC.

Since that discussion, we've added two PMC members. One of those PMC
members is not affiliated with WSO2, bringing the total number of
non-WSO2 PMC members to one out of 12.

(I understand that we have some outstanding internal nominations, but
until they are announced, we cannot count them to the total, and
should not be talking about them on the dev@ list.)

So that question again:

"Is the PMC having issues recognising non-WSO2 merit?"

The number of non-WSO2 PMC members is 1/12 (or 8%) so I still think
that's a fair question. And I think I want to see a bit more progress
in this area before I am comfortable with Stratos graduating.

I'd like to hear from the folks who shared my concern in November.
Does our adding one non-WSO2 PMC member in the intervening time
assuage your concerns?

I'm happy that there has been effort to recognise non-WSO2 merit. I
know because I have seen it. But I think we need a bit more time to
see how this new approach plays out. I'd like to see the proof in the
pudding, and not jump to hasty conclusions.

Not sure what the "go fetch me a rock" comment is about. I think I've
made my *single* concern quite explicit in this thread. Though
apologies if there is some aspect of my communication which is

On 27 November 2013 19:04, Noah Slater <> wrote:
> There are two ways to approach this:
> 1. Encourage more participation. Examine how we're operating as a
> project and figure out if there are ways we can be more inclusive, or
> whether there are things we can do that would attract more people to
> participate. (Sounds like this is already being done, but can we be
> better?)
> 2. Look at how we are recognising merit. Is there anyone on the PMC
> right now who is monitoring the dev@ list with an eye to nominate? If
> not, let's set that up. And let's discuss what it means to be a
> committer. Check out the Apache Forrest approach to this.
> I think, in general, it's good to be aggressively focused on
> recruitment, now, and going forward.
> If someone shows and interest, give them a commit bit, and see what
> they do. We have a time machine (VCS) that lets us correct most
> damage. And you should see how much an election to committer can
> motivate people to contribute!

On 28 November 2013 18:16, Noah Slater <> wrote:
> A nice idea might be for some of the committers to write a "Getting
> Started" guide for contributors. You could point to self-contained
> areas of the code, or bits that contributing to does not require too
> much pre-existing knowledge. Another idea is to have a JIRA field
> where you can flag the difficulty of the feature, so that people can
> choose "easy", "medium", or "hard" depending on experience with the
> codebase.

How much of this has happened?

On 23 March 2014 05:59, Afkham Azeez <> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Noah Slater <> wrote:
>> Show some evidence for what?
> You said: "My concern is that the PMC might be having some issues
> recognising non-WSO2 merit".
> It would be better if you can give some examples of why you think that the
> Stratos PMC might be having some issues recognizing non-WSO2 merit, because
> I personally don't think that statement is correct, and I am sure most
> others including non-WSO2 PMC members would agree with me.
>> I've not stated any conclusions. I am
>> asking a question: given our concerns about committer diversity in
>> November, does the PMC feel like we have made adequate progress?
>> If no, what do we plan to do about it? If yes, what is the justification?
>> Aside from Lakmal's response just now, I find it a little puzzling
>> that nobody has given a straight answer to this. The only real reply
>> to this question has been to challenge it's premise: that this isn't
>> important.
>> Also note: if there is an agreement that there are no candidates that
>> have been overlooked (even if we take into account non-code
>> contributions) then that still leaves us with a question: are we doing
>> everything we can to attract contributions?
>> On 23 March 2014 03:59, Afkham Azeez <> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 4:59 AM, Noah Slater <> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Sanjiva,
>> >>
>> >> That's great! But the other things Stratos is doing right are
>> >> orthogonal
>> >> issues.
>> >>
>> >> I'm not proposing that we nominate people randomly. That's a strawman.
>> >> But I've been told on this thread that we've seen a lot more
>> >> participation since Novemeber. But we've only had three additional
>> >> committer elections. So what's going on there?
>> >>
>> >> My concern is that the PMC might be having some issues recognising
>> >> non-WSO2 merit.
>> >
>> >
>> > Noah, can you please go through the mail archives and list down a few
>> > deserving non-WSO2 contributors who the PMC has failed to nominate for
>> > committership? Rather than theorizing, it would be nice if you can show
>> > some
>> > evidence.
>> --
>> Noah Slater
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