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From Jim Jagielski <...@jaguNET.com>
Subject Fwd: [Contact] Media question
Date Tue, 06 Aug 2013 14:30:16 GMT
The ASF was asked to comment on the move of the project to the Attic.
The below is what was sent.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Jim Jagielski <jim@apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [Contact] Media question
> To: Serdar Yegulalp <serdar@genjipress.com>
> 
> No worries. Here it is again.
> 
> One of the core goals of Apache projects is to create a healthy and
> viable community around a project; This implies a community dedicated
> to the continued growth of the code and a project which values and
> abides by the tenets of "the Apache Way." When a project's activity
> level decrease so much that commits to the project become almost
> non-existant, or it is hard to muster the required 3 +1 votes for
> patch acceptance and releases, it becomes obvious that the project
> had reached its end-of-life.
> 
> The Apache C++ Standard Library was given numerous opportunities
> to "reboot" itself and re-energize the community, but the sad fact
> is that it was never able to accomplish it. We understand the ire
> of Christian Bergström, but it indicates his unfamiliarity with
> Apache and Apache projects and how they are run and managed, as
> well as his confusion over what the Chair of an Apache project
> actually does. If there was still potential in the project,
> then that would have been clearly seen over the last several
> months, but as the mailing list and code repo logs show, there
> was no activity of merit at all for a long, long time, and
> Mr Bergström certainly had plenty of opportunity to provide
> some evidence of that potential; even some code commits from
> him and others would have been a factor.
> 
> And so, after some discussion at the Apache board level, the following
> was sent to the project:
> 
>    At this month's board meeting, a resolution was passed to move Apache C++ Standard
Library to the Attic, due to inactivity.
> 
>    The Attic home page [1] contains some details about its purpose - it is the destination
for Apache projects that can no longer provide oversight or muster votes for a release. It
isn't a reflection on the contributors or the codebase, and is intended to be non-impacting
to users.
> 
>    Please let us know if you have any questions or comments, or if you are available
to work with the Attic to help with the transition of resources.
> 
> 
> On Aug 6, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Serdar Yegulalp <serdar@genjipress.com> wrote:
> 
>> I don't believe I did, my apologies if it got lost in the shuffle.
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:jim@apache.org]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 8:03 AM
>>> To: Serdar Yegulalp
>>> Subject: Re: [Contact] Media question
>>> 
>>> Ddi you get my response?
>>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2013, at 6:09 PM, Serdar Yegulalp <serdar@genjipress.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi there - I just wanted to check back in and see if there was any
>> progress
>>>> on this. I'll need to have an answer by sometime tomorrow. (I can also
>> have
>>>> an answer in the coming week, but I'd prefer to have it sooner rather
>> than
>>>> later.)
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Serdar Yegulalp [mailto:serdar@genjipress.com]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:11 AM
>>>>> To: 'Jim Jagielski'
>>>>> Subject: RE: [Contact] Media question
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sure thing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Earlier in July, a resolution was passed to move the Apache C++
>> Standard
>>>>> Library project to the Attic, as per discussion on the official mailing
>>>> list
>>>>> 
>>>> (http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/stdcxx-
>>> dev/201307.mbox/%3C0F1B5FEB
>>>> -
>>>>> 9312-44CA-96CF-B586B8CE6BA4%40apache.org%3E). This raised some ire on
>> the
>>>>> part of Christian Bergström, who had offered to take over as chair of
>> the
>>>>> project and claimed he still saw potential in it. I was interested in
>>>> getting
>>>>> some official word from the Apache side as to the reasons behind these
>>>>> decisions.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:jim@apache.org]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:55 AM
>>>>>> To: Serdar Yegulalp
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Contact] Media question
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello Serdar,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How would you like to proceed? An Email exchange is likely the easiest
>>>>>> way...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Sally Khudairi <sallykhudairi@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello, Serdar --following up on your request, it's my pleasure
to
>>>>>>> introduce
>>>>>> you to Jim Jagielski, Vice President of the Apache C++ Standard
>>>>>> Library Project.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm copying Jim here so you can connect directly regarding next
>> steps.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance, Jim, for helping Serdar!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>> Sally
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [From the mobile; kindly excuse spelling/spacing/auto-correct
>>>>>>> anomalies]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Serdar Yegulalp" <serdar@genjipress.com>
>>>>>>> To: "'Sally Khudairi'" <sk@apache.org>, <press@apache.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Contact] Media question
>>>>>>> Date: Tue, Jul 30, 2013 12:50 PM
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'd like to secure a comment by the end of this week, or the
>>>>>>> beginning of next week. I may also have some follow-up questions,
so
>>>>>>> by the end of this week would be ideal to give me time to respond.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Sally Khudairi [mailto:sk@apache.org]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:47 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Serdar Yegulalp; press@apache.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Contact] Media question
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello, Serdar --thank you for your message.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I will be happy to secure an Apache spokesperson for you.
What is
>>>>>>>> your deadline?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>> Sally Khudairi
>>>>>>>> VP Marketing & Publicity
>>>>>>>> The Apache Software Foundation
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> = = = = =
>>>>>>>> vox +1 617 921 8656
>>>>>>>> aux +1 917 725 2133
>>>>>>>> skype sallykhudairi
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: Serdar Yegulalp <serdar@genjipress.com>
>>>>>>>> To: press@apache.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2013, 9:56
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Contact] Media question
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> My name is Serdar Yegulalp and I'm interested in seeking
comment
>>>>>>>> from spokespeople at the Apache Software Foundation about
their
>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>> decision
>>>>>>>> to end the development of the Apache C++ Standard Library
(stdcxx)
>>>>>>> project.
>>>>>>>> There was apparently some discussion of having the project
>>>>>>>> stewarded by a new chair, but the decision was made instead
to end
>>>>>>>> the project. I'd be interested in speaking with folks at
the ASF
>>>>>>>> who are qualified to comment
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> * * * * *
>>>>>>>> Serdar Yegulalp
>>>>>>>> www.genjipress.com
>>>>>>>> serdar@genjipress.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> My problems have become social rather than musical.
>>>>>>>> -- John Cage, composer
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
> 


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