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From Marc Betz <Marc.B...@roguewave.com>
Subject RE: New chair and/or attic
Date Thu, 30 Aug 2012 23:05:24 GMT
Can someone tell me how to get off this mailing list? I have no reason now to receive these
emails and certainly nothing to contribute to the discussion.

Thanks.

Marc Betz 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Teleman [mailto:stefan.teleman@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 3:58 PM
To: dev@stdcxx.apache.org
Subject: Re: New chair and/or attic

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 5:45 PM, "C. Bergström"
<cbergstrom@pathscale.com> wrote:
> On 08/31/12 03:10 AM, Pavel Heimlich, a.k.a. hajma wrote:
>>>
>>> 2) Posting the project is dead on a public list certainly doesn't help
>>> grow a community
>>>
>>
>> well, it's half year since revival of the project was announced and has
>> there been any progress/improvements? The state of this is a koma at best.
>
> Just because bureaucrats say jump doesn't mean anything is going to happen.
> -----------
> The facts as I know it
> 1) Our fork is maintained (continuous bug fixes - which we won't submit to
> Apache now)
> 2) Stefan is putting in some work (one man army)
> 3) Wojciech Meyer had put in some work
> 4) NetBSD has a small amount of patches they could probably push upstream
> (If Jörg has the time)
> 5) Martin is/was great for feedback in all areas of STL/C++/occasional code
> review
> -------------
> I'm really not sure if to you this would make the project dead or in a koma.
> The problem as I have said before is there needs to be some compelling
> reason to use STDCXX vs libc++.  Instead of just trying to sweep it under
> the rug - why not find it a new home, put a one line call for help on a
> blog/homepage or etc.  Apache leaders have a huge readership, but this
> "koma" issue isn't on the general radar.
>
> STDCXX isn't some stupid ass java framework or widget - It's a *critical*
> part of a C++ stack and the cost of leaving it out of the attic is
> negligible - What's the benefit of bringing up these attic discussions?

Actually I also thought about "merging" code from libc++ into the
future stdcxx for C++2011, and I think that one pre-requisite from
doing that is asking for Howard Hinnant's involvement and help. It
only seems fair to me to do so, since he is the author of libc++.

But it's going to be quite difficult to convince Howard to participate
in stdcxx if the dev mailing list is peppered with threats of
impending shutdown, every other month, or with unhelpful comments
about the project being in a "koma".

--Stefan

-- 
Stefan Teleman
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stefan.teleman@gmail.com
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