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From Nick Pentreath <nick.pentre...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Google Summer of Code 2017 is coming
Date Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:57:27 GMT
I think Sean raises valid points - that the result is highly dependent on
the particular student, project and mentor involved, and that the actual
required time investment is very significant.

Having said that, it's not all bad certainly. Scikit-learn started as a
GSoC project 10 years ago!

Actually they have a pretty good model for accepting students - typically
the student must demonstrate significant prior knowledge and ability with
the project sufficient to complete the work.

The challenge I think Spark has is already folks are strapped for capacity
so finding mentors with time will be tricky. But if there are mentors and
the right project / student fit can be found, I think it's a good idea.


On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 at 01:22 Jacek Laskowski <jacek@japila.pl> wrote:

> Thanks Sean. You've again been very helpful to put the right tone to
> the matters. I stand corrected and have no interest in GSoC anymore.
>
> Pozdrawiam,
> Jacek Laskowski
> ----
> https://medium.com/@jaceklaskowski/
> Mastering Apache Spark 2.0 https://bit.ly/mastering-apache-spark
> Follow me at https://twitter.com/jaceklaskowski
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Sean Owen <sowen@cloudera.com> wrote:
> > I have a contrarian opinion on GSoC from experience many years ago in
> > Mahout. Of 3 students I interacted with, 2 didn't come close to
> completing
> > the work they signed up for. I think it's mostly that students are hungry
> > for the resumé line item, and don't understand the amount of work they're
> > proposing, and ultimately have little incentive to complete their
> proposal.
> > The stipend is small.
> >
> > I can appreciate the goal of GSoC but it makes more sense for projects
> that
> > don't get as much attention, and Spark gets plenty. I would not expect
> > students to be able to be net contributors to a project like Spark. The
> time
> > they consume in hand-holding will exceed the time it would take for
> someone
> > experienced to just do the work. I would caution anyone from agreeing to
> > this for Spark unless they are willing to devote 5-10 hours per week for
> the
> > summer to helping someone learn.
> >
> > My net experience with GSoC is negative, mostly on account of the
> > participants.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 9:56 PM Holden Karau <holden@pigscanfly.ca>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> As someone who did GSoC back in University I think this could be a good
> >> idea if there is enough interest from the PMC & I'd be willing the help
> >> mentor if that is a bottleneck.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Jacek Laskowski <jacek@japila.pl>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Is this something Spark considering? Would be nice to mark issues as
> >>> GSoC in JIRA and solicit feedback. What do you think?
> >>>
> >>> Pozdrawiam,
> >>> Jacek Laskowski
> >>> ----
> >>> https://medium.com/@jaceklaskowski/
> >>> Mastering Apache Spark 2.0 https://bit.ly/mastering-apache-spark
> >>> Follow me at https://twitter.com/jaceklaskowski
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> From: Ulrich Stärk <uli@apache.org>
> >>> Date: Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 8:50 PM
> >>> Subject: Google Summer of Code 2017 is coming
> >>> To: mentors@community.apache.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hello PMCs (incubator Mentors, please forward this email to your
> >>> podlings),
> >>>
> >>> Google Summer of Code [1] is a program sponsored by Google allowing
> >>> students to spend their summer
> >>> working on open source software. Students will receive stipends for
> >>> developing open source software
> >>> full-time for three months. Projects will provide mentoring and
> >>> project ideas, and in return have
> >>> the chance to get new code developed and - most importantly - to
> >>> identify and bring in new committers.
> >>>
> >>> The ASF will apply as a participating organization meaning individual
> >>> projects don't have to apply
> >>> separately.
> >>>
> >>> If you want to participate with your project we ask you to do the
> >>> following things as soon as
> >>> possible but by no later than 2017-02-09:
> >>>
> >>> 1. understand what it means to be a mentor [2].
> >>>
> >>> 2. record your project ideas.
> >>>
> >>> Just create issues in JIRA, label them with gsoc2017, and they will
> >>> show up at [3]. Please be as
> >>> specific as possible when describing your idea. Include the
> >>> programming language, the tools and
> >>> skills required, but try not to scare potential students away. They
> >>> are supposed to learn what's
> >>> required before the program starts.
> >>>
> >>> Use labels, e.g. for the programming language (java, c, c++, erlang,
> >>> python, brainfuck, ...) or
> >>> technology area (cloud, xml, web, foo, bar, ...) and record them at
> [5].
> >>>
> >>> Please use the COMDEV JIRA project for recording your ideas if your
> >>> project doesn't use JIRA (e.g.
> >>> httpd, ooo). Contact dev@community.apache.org if you need assistance.
> >>>
> >>> [4] contains some additional information (will be updated for 2017
> >>> shortly).
> >>>
> >>> 3. subscribe to mentors@community.apache.org; restricted to potential
> >>> mentors, meant to be used as a
> >>> private list - general discussions on the public
> >>> dev@community.apache.org list as much as possible
> >>> please). Use a recognized address when subscribing (@apache.org or one
> >>> of your alias addresses on
> >>> record).
> >>>
> >>> Note that the ASF isn't accepted as a participating organization yet,
> >>> nevertheless you *have to*
> >>> start recording your ideas now or we will not get accepted.
> >>>
> >>> Over the years we were able to complete hundreds of projects
> >>> successfully. Some of our prior
> >>> students are active contributors now! Let's make this year a success
> >>> again!
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Uli
> >>>
> >>> P.S.: Except for the private parts (label spreadsheet mostly), this
> >>> email is free to be shared
> >>> publicly if you want to.
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/
> >>> [2] http://community.apache.org/guide-to-being-a-mentor.html
> >>> [3] http://s.apache.org/gsoc2017ideas
> >>> [4] http://community.apache.org/gsoc.html
> >>> [5] http://s.apache.org/gsoclabels
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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