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From Andy Konwinski <andykonwin...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Mailing list transition (was Re: Apache Spark podling: Created!)
Date Fri, 28 Jun 2013 21:04:24 GMT
+ spark-developers@googlegroups.com to loop in those who haven't subscribed
to dev@spark.i.a.o yet, (also because my emails are getting bounced by
Apache's spam filters).

I wanted to respond here in the conversation about the mailing list
migration that was happening on the email thread called "Re: A wiki for
Spark (on Apache infra)"...

Assuming that we Apache requires us to migrate from google groups to lists
on Apache infra, we might consider waiting to migrating the users list to
apache infra until after we graduate to a TLP, so that we only have to
migrate it once.

Here's why. I assume with each list migration that requires subscribers to
do work, we will lose some subscribers. If we ask them to migrate to an
incubator user list now and then again to yet a different list when we
graduate to a TLP (which we hope to do fairly quickly), it seems like we
will irritate and lose strictly more subscribers.

This requirement to migrate infra twice as part of moving to Apache seems a
bit hard on communities. It also seems like a requirement that will go away
if the changes you are pushing for to the incubation process (i.e. podling
TLPs) actually ever happen.

Anyway, I see our options as:

1. Migrate only the dev list now (since this is a smaller core group that
is more likely to migrate with us) and wait to create an apache users list
until we graduate and migrate from the users google group then. Con: it's
confusing to have user and dev lists on different infra.
2. Move the users list now, in which case we go with the migration plan I
proposed earlier. Con: migrating users list twice = more irritating to
users.

Andy



On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:

> Hi Andy,
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Andy Konwinski <andykonwinski@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "dev@spark.incubator.apache.org" <dev@spark.incubator.apache.org
> >
> Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:18 AM
> To: "dev@spark.incubator.apache.org" <dev@spark.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Apache Spark podling: Created!
>
> >This is great.
> >
> >Quick question about mailing lists: Spark also has a
> >spark-users<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/spark-users>
> >google
> >group. Can we also get a users@spark.i.a.o mailing list to have somewhere
> >to migrate that group? Do I need to create an infra issue for this?
>
> OK, cool yeah I think I requested commits and dev as lists earlier, but
> didn't request a user one. To request a new list, you go here:
>
> https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator
>
>
> Did you request a list yet? Should i?
>
> (BTW sorry about the delay in responding was at a DARPA meeting all week in
> DC an am just back in California now catching up on everything).
>
>
> >
> >Also, we should discuss a strategy, and timeline for migrating the mailing
> >lists over to the new ones.
> >
> >As far as a strategy, here are the steps I can think of that will help
> >make
> >for a smooth transition:
> >
> >   1. Request users list on apache infra (done)
> >   2. Pick a day/time for the switch (how about July 1, assuming
> >   users@spark.i.a.o is set up by then)
> >   3. At Switch time:
> >      1. Make announcements on the dev and users mailing lists with links
> >      to the new lists, instructions on how to subscribe, and a note
> >saying all
> >      conversations are moving over to that list.
> >      2. Update the website with links to the new lists
> >      3. Enable an auto responders on those lists with pointers to the new
> >      apache lists
>
> Perfect! That's correct Andy.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) <
> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >
> >> CC'ing dev@spark.i.a.o: our first email to the dev list! :)
> >>
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >> Senior Computer Scientist
> >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> >> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Henry Saputra <henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> >> Date: Friday, June 21, 2013 4:51 PM
> >> To: jpluser <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
> >> Cc: Matt Massie <massie@cs.berkeley.edu>, Reynold Xin
> >> <rxin@cs.berkeley.edu>, Matei Zaharia <matei@apache.org>, Ankur
Dave
> >> <ankurdave@gmail.com>, Tathagata Das <tdas@eecs.berkeley.edu>, Haoyuan
> >>Li
> >> <haoyuan@cs.berkeley.edu>, Josh Rosen <joshrosen@cs.berkeley.edu>,
> >> Shivaram Venkataraman <shivaram@eecs.berkeley.edu>, Mosharaf Chowdhury
> >> <mosharaf@cs.berkeley.edu>, Charles Reiss <charles@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
> >> Andy Konwinski <andykonwinski@gmail.com>, Patrick Wendell
> >> <pwendell@eecs.berkeley.edu>, Imran Rashid <imran@quantifind.com>,
Ryan
> >> LeCompte <lecompte@gmail.com>, Ravi Pandya
> >><ravip@exchange.microsoft.com>,
> >> Ram Sriharsha <harshars@yahoo-inc.com>, Robert Evans
> >> <evans@yahoo-inc.com>, Mridul Muralidharan <mridulm@yahoo-inc.com>,
> >>Thomas
> >> Dudziak <tomdz@clearstorydata.com>, Mark Hamstra
> >> <mark@clearstorydata.com>, Stephen Haberman
> >><stephen.haberman@gmail.com>,
> >> Jason Dai <jason.dai@intel.com>, Shane Huang <shannie.huang@gmail.com>,
> >> Andrew xia <xiajunluan@gmail.com>, Nick Pentreath
> >> <nick.pentreath@gmail.com>, Sean McNamara <sean.mcnamara@webtrends.com
> >,
> >> "Ramirez, Paul M (398J)" <paul.m.ramirez@jpl.nasa.gov>, Roman
> Shaposhnik
> >> <rvs@apache.org>, Suresh Marru <smarru@apache.org>, "Hart, Andrew
F
> >> (398J)" <Andrew.F.Hart@jpl.nasa.gov>
> >> Subject: Re: Apache Spark podling: Created!
> >>
> >> >Thanks for driving this forward Chris, awesome as usual! =)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >The mailing lists are ready:
> >> >dev@spark.incubator.apache.org
> >> >commits@spark.incubator.apache.org
> >> >
> >> >private@spark.incubator.apache.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >You can subscribe by sending email to:
> >> >dev-subscribe@spark.incubator.apache.org
> >> >commits-subscribe@spark.incubator.apache.org
> >> >private-subscribe@spark.incubator.apache.org  -> This is moderated and
> >> >only Sparks' committers, PPMC could subscribe to it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Hopefully we could start communicating using the dev@ list starting
> >>next
> >> >week.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >For those new to ASF, welcome! =)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Thanks,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Henry
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J)
> >> ><chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Hi Everyone,
> >> >
> >> >Just to double check: does everyone have an Apache Individual
> >> >Contributor License Agreement (ICLA) on file? If you don't please
> >> >head over to:
> >> >
> >> >http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Please fill that out and then submit to secretary@apache.org
> >> >
> >> >I'll make sure that everyone's account gets created and that
> >> >karma for the Git repo is set up based on that, working with
> >> >infra. I or any of the other mentors can help with this too.
> >> >
> >> >Cheers,
> >> >Chris
> >> >
> >> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >> >Senior Computer Scientist
> >> >NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >> >Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> >> >Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >> >WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> >> >University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: <Mattmann>, jpluser <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
> >> >Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:16 PM
> >> >To: jpluser <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
> >> >Cc: Matt Massie <massie@cs.berkeley.edu>, Reynold Xin
> >> ><rxin@cs.berkeley.edu>, Matei Zaharia <matei@apache.org>, Ankur
Dave
> >> ><ankurdave@gmail.com>, Tathagata Das <tdas@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
Haoyuan
> >>Li
> >> ><haoyuan@cs.berkeley.edu>, Josh Rosen <joshrosen@cs.berkeley.edu>,
> >> Reynold
> >> >Xin <rxin@cs.berkeley.edu>, Shivaram Venkataraman
> >> ><shivaram@eecs.berkeley.edu>, Mosharaf Chowdhury
> >> ><mosharaf@cs.berkeley.edu>, Charles Reiss <charles@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
> >> >Andy Konwinski <andykonwinski@gmail.com>, Patrick Wendell
> >> ><pwendell@eecs.berkeley.edu>, Imran Rashid <imran@quantifind.com>,
> Ryan
> >> >LeCompte <lecompte@gmail.com>, Ravi Pandya
> >><ravip@exchange.microsoft.com
> >> >,
> >> >Ram Sriharsha <harshars@yahoo-inc.com>, Robert Evans
> >> ><evans@yahoo-inc.com>, Mridul Muralidharan <mridulm@yahoo-inc.com>,
> >> Thomas
> >> >Dudziak <tomdz@clearstorydata.com>, Mark Hamstra
> >> ><mark@clearstorydata.com>, Stephen Haberman
> >><stephen.haberman@gmail.com>,
> >> >Jason Dai <jason.dai@intel.com>, Shane Huang <shannie.huang@gmail.com
> >,
> >> >Andrew xia <xiajunluan@gmail.com>, Nick Pentreath
> >> ><nick.pentreath@gmail.com>, Sean McNamara <sean.mcnamara@webtrends.com
> >
> >> >Subject: Apache Spark podling: Created!
> >> >
> >> >>Hi Everyone,
> >> >>
> >> >>Until our mailing lists are created, will have to just reply all
> >> >>to this list :)
> >> >>
> >> >>Apache Spark (incubating) now is created! See:
> >> >>
> >> >>http://s.apache.org/yRh
> >> >>
> >> >>Yay! Thanks for the support in getting this started! I've gone
> >> >>ahead and filed the requisite INFRA tasks:
> >> >>
> >> >>https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6417
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>per:
> >> >>
> >> >>http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>You can follow the bootstrap process at INFRA-6417, by
> >> >>putting yourself on the watch list for the issue. Now
> >> >>I'll work with infra@ to get everything set up in terms of
> >> >>mailing lists, etc, and then I'd appreciate everyone helping
> >> >>in terms of letting folks know to migrate on the existing
> >> >>email lists, and helping to work with me to get Git version
> >> >>history transferred over, and to start moving the project
> >> >>into the ASF.
> >> >>
> >> >>One other thing, Matei: it would be really nice to do a
> >> >>software grant on this:
> >> >>
> >> >>http://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>From maybe AMPLab (and anyone else). Can you help take
> >> >>the lead in getting that submitted to the Apache Secretary and
> >> >>CC me?
> >> >>
> >> >>Thanks guys! Progress :)
> >> >>
> >> >>Our first Incubator PMC report is due in July. I'll prod and
> >> >>help put it together. Until then, time to start transitioning
> >> >>and helping to get the project moved on over.
> >> >>
> >> >>Cheers,
> >> >>Chris
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >>Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >> >>Senior Computer Scientist
> >> >>NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >> >>Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> >> >>Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >> >>WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >> >>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >>Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> >> >>University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >> >>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>
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