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From John Hardin <>
Subject Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave
Date Fri, 10 Jul 2020 21:25:32 GMT
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020, wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Jul 2020, Axb wrote:
>> On 7/10/20 8:31 PM, Bill Cole wrote:
>>>  The SpamAssassin Project has a particular self-interest in attracting
>>>  contributors from a diversity of cultures, because we are always at risk
>>>  of mislabelling a pattern of letters or words as 'spammy' when in fact it
>>>  is entirely normal in a cultural context other than those of the existing
>>>  contributors to the project. C
>> From what I see, until now, only two ppl of the SpamAssasin project have 
>> supported this motion and intend to impose this quatsch to the rest of the 
>> world.
>> Voices against these changes have been politely ignored.
> The danger of judging the world only by what is within your sight is
> that your field of vision is limited, and there are any number of
> explanations for why what you see is not representative of the whole.
> Maybe those who agree feel no need to comment.

> Maybe a lot of people
> on either side of the issue want to avoid adding more noise to a list
> that's about SpamAssassin.

For me, this. But I do now feel I should contribute my 5¢ to the noise.

As a PMC member I did vote on the proposal when it came up a week or so 
back. I voted +1 with the strong condition that it include full backwards 
compatibility for a long time (ideally permanently), but that vote was 

I share the opinion that such terminology changes are "political 
correctness through newspeak" because the current terms are widely-known 
terms having a long standing without racist denotations or even 
connotations, and that those who are offended by them on that basis are 
the type of people who look for excuses to be offended. But my thought was 
if we can avoid that nonsense *without* greatly disturbing the project, we 
should probably do it.

But there is no technical reason whatsoever to make this change, and there 
are good technical reasons not to. I agree with Joanna 100%:

> Political correctness has no place in engineering. Clarity of 
> communications is a basis of the craft. When you disrupt it
> things break.


> Fixing what works is as fine a way to introduce new faults in
> the code as I can think of.

I am rethinking my +1 vote for this change.

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