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From "Marc Roos" <M.R...@f1-outsourcing.eu>
Subject RE: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave
Date Fri, 10 Jul 2020 07:26:20 GMT
 
There was someone from akamai asking something similar on the openssl 
mailing list. I told him to have a look at the composition of the akamai 
executive team. I would recommend not redoing the converstation and 
leaving this discussion for others to finish. FWIW this type of change 
was rejected at openssl, and that seems to be the general attitude 
towards such requests.




-----Original Message-----
From: Gianluca Furnarotto [mailto:keysteal@libero.it] 
Sent: vrijdag 10 juli 2020 9:13
To: Kevin A. McGrail; Axb
Cc: SA Mailing list
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] 
Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

This is foolish, we are losing control. I have nothing else to think 
about ... and the next one that needs to change its name is the TV 
series "The Blacklist"?
And the next would be to delete the word "black"?

This is my opinion.


On 10 luglio 2020 a 09:05:26, Kevin A. McGrail (kmcgrail@apache.org) 
scritto:

	
	Gents, while this may appear to be a response to racial tensions in 
the US of late, you might be surprised to learn that the project has 
been working on this type of change for quite some time.

	- We start using Blocklist at least as early as 2012 when I drafted 
this: 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SPAMASSASSIN/DnsBlocklistsInclusionPolicy 

	- And the vote on and discussion on this change was based on a UK 
article  
https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-ncsc-to-stop-using-whitelist-and-blacklist-due-to-racial-stereotyping/

which I brought to the PMC on 4/5.  We brought it for a vote on 5/3. 

	So this isn't about US politics, it isn't rash and no it's not a 
joke.  This is about doing the right thing and getting rid of racially 
charged language.  I'd appreciate support in this change or at least if 
you can't say something nice or helpful, just keep it to yourselves.

	Regards,
	KAM
	--
	Kevin A. McGrail
	Member, Apache Software Foundation
	Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
	https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171

	

	On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 2:50 AM Axb <axb.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
	

		the US problems won't be fixed with renaming B&W lists.
		Seriously.. you have more important issues...
		
		On 7/10/20 8:42 AM, jdow wrote:
		> Be sure to purge every instance of "fork" in the code 
because it sounds 
		> too close to the other F..K word. Get the fork out of there.
		> 
		> {O,o}
		>      i.e are you guys being just a little stupid here?
		> 
		> On 20200709 21:00:37, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
		>> IMPORTANT NOTICE
		>>
		>> If you are running trunk, we are working on changing terms 
like 
		>> whitelist to welcomelist and blacklist to blocklist.
		>>
		>> https://bz.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=7826
		>>
		>> The first test of this work is done with allowlist_to 
replacing 
		>> whitelist_to
		>> Committed revision 1879456.
		>>
		>> If you are using trunk, there may be disruption since 
routines, 
		>> plugins and rule changes will all interweave.
		>>
		>> *IF YOU ARE RUNNING TRUNK: I recommend you subscribe to the 

		>> dev@spamassassin.apache.org 
<mailto:dev@spamassassin.apache.org> 
		>> mailing list to stay abreast of the changes.*
		>> *
		>> *
		>> Please let me know if you have any questions!
		>>
		>> Regards,
		>> KAM
		>> -- 
		>> Kevin A. McGrail
		>> Member, Apache Software Foundation
		>> Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
		>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171
		
		
		



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