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From: David Jones <djones@ena.com>
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Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: DMARC and this list
Thread-Topic: Somewhat OT: DMARC and this list
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 19:36:53 +0000
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archived-at: Fri, 19 May 2017 19:37:13 -0000

>From: RW <rwmaillists@googlemail.com>
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>On Fri, 19 May 2017 14:13:22 -0500 (CDT)
>David B Funk wrote:

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>> My read on this is that "@ena.com" is living dangerously. They
>> publish SPF records and DMARC records (with p=3Dreject) but do NOT DKIM
>> sign their mail.

>Most of them pass DKIM, a minority aren't signed.

My edge mail servers are DKIM signing properly for ena.com.  I am
able to send to Gmail and "Show Original" says:

SPF:	PASS with IP 96.5.1.12
DKIM:	PASS with domain ena.com
DMARC:	PASS

I guess the envelope-from is changed to the Mailman list which
would break the SPF alignment and it could be stripping out the
DKIM headers if you all are saying it's not there.

I guess I will have to sign up with my personal email address that
doesn't have p=3Dreject.  I guess as more an more domains move to
p=3Dreject, then this is going to be a real problem.  Mailing lists are
going to have to evolve how they send or something.

Dave
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