Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-spamassassin-users-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-spamassassin-users-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 27764F355 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 14:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 66860 invoked by uid 500); 13 May 2013 14:06:47 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-spamassassin-users-archive@spamassassin.apache.org Received: (qmail 66505 invoked by uid 500); 13 May 2013 14:06:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact users-help@spamassassin.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list users@spamassassin.apache.org Received: (qmail 66437 invoked by uid 99); 13 May 2013 14:06:43 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 14:06:43 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of dfs@roaringpenguin.com designates 70.38.112.54 as permitted sender) Received: from [70.38.112.54] (HELO colo3.roaringpenguin.com) (70.38.112.54) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 14:06:39 +0000 Received: from vanadium.roaringpenguin.com ([192.168.10.23]) by colo3.roaringpenguin.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r4DE6Hgq002758 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 10:06:17 -0400 Received: from hydrogen.roaringpenguin.com (dfs@hydrogen.roaringpenguin.com [192.168.10.1]) by vanadium.roaringpenguin.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r4DE6H23006242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 10:06:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 10:06:16 -0400 From: "David F. Skoll" To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Default Bayes Database Message-ID: <20130513100616.102a6778@hydrogen.roaringpenguin.com> In-Reply-To: <6e51eaa26bbc42453f2c2acf408ffc78@junc.eu> References: <518A8C2A.9020709@gmail.com> <20130510155123.6a4abc33@hydrogen.roaringpenguin.com> <20130510213413.GA14587@hysteria.proulx.com> <20130510174928.0038b93c@shishi.roaringpenguin.com> <20130510230645.GA6228@hysteria.proulx.com> <6e51eaa26bbc42453f2c2acf408ffc78@junc.eu> Organization: Roaring Penguin Software Inc. X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=roaringpenguin.com; h=date :from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=main; bh=j1R8fPr/lb/D 0wL5a8T915WlLiE=; b=hR7VrFa9G3alhV0BfXdugqETv/ew69Ty/I9ao7VmwtfV fwK3JQpS27E27pzqhRS2h/Z/sQtUBND5Jvwkcac5CbgKAgW1XzgPrbx3vWD3XFjc 1r9J6jTuOYHzo26XTn+3t+W7Q6CjrO2MZwTKMjYI4kj3WXLjU8vLa0sDElI+7b7S HRm7nbipQW0FAy6x78qv2jXqG02fNeq6gJnn6v7y3wlexUI4HxQgBoqWV3xsrCCR DQlZjLWG9hbGpzwQd/pNgT5vhQfL5oehdn/yyCDN/kVA2b6O1YcX1p0vXiPASHMO L8DD2gBII13fMWHUI2YUkDca68OHcFsdhsEirX4trA== X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.73 on 192.168.10.23 X-Spam-Score: undef - relay 192.168.10.23 marked with skip_spam_scan X-CanIt-Geo: No geolocation information available for 192.168.10.23 X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing (inherits from default) X-CanIt-Archive-Cluster: SQVyZJxqklY5buiWXYCN4T/BjiM X-CanIt-Archived-As: base/20130513 / 01Jzq6hc3 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Sat, 11 May 2013 16:28:16 +0200 Benny Pedersen wrote: > i think David missed one more word, no share ? OK, here's my point. In 2004, I was as skeptical as most others on this list that a shared Bayes database would be useful. Then I read the USENIX LISA '04 paper by Blosser and Josephsen that described a very good experience with a shared Bayes database. So we went back to our office and implemented a mechanism for sharing Bayes data and (much to my surprise at the time) it worked very well. You are free to disagree with me, but I would expect you to disagree based on actual evidence and experience rather than just a gut feeling. I think a mechanism for sharing Bayes data would be a very useful addition to SpamAssassin. Having one foot in the free software world with MIMEDefang and another in the proprietary world with CanIt puts me in a somewhat awkward position, but I'd be happy to talk about our design even if I can't really contribute code. Regards, David.