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From Ted Mittelstaedt <t...@ipinc.net>
Subject Re: dcc: [26896] terminated: exit 241
Date Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:25:04 GMT


On 4/21/2010 8:23 AM, Micah Anderson wrote:
> Michael Scheidell<scheidell@secnap.net>  writes:
>
>> On 4/15/10 5:35 PM, Micah Anderson wrote:
>>> M
>>> "The Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse source carries a license that is
>>> free to organizations that do not sell filtering devices or services
>>> except to their own users and that participate in the global DCC
>>> network. . . you may not redistribute modified, "fixed," or "improved"
>>> versions of the source or binaries. You also can't call it your own or
>>> blame anyone for the results of using it."
>>>
>> Which seems silly for debian to remove it, since many of the
>> blacklists in SA are by default, licensed similar (free for non
>> commercial use, paid if>  xxx queries).  maybe debian should look
>> through and remove ALL 'dual licensed' software, and when you install
>> SA from the RPM's, disable the dual licensed RBL's.
>
> You misunderstand Debian's role and license guidelines. Debian is a
> software distributor, and as such it is not silly for Debian to stop
> distributing software (ie. dcc) when distributing that software violates
> its rules.

Actually it's not even that.  The notion that Debian spent effort 
detecting and removing DCC source is rather farfetched.

Because Linux distros are so large, many freely available 
commercially-licensed apps - such as device drivers - some of which also 
do not carry "your allowed to distribute this" licenses, get "sucked up" 
into the distributions.

Some of this happens by users contributing them and not reading the
licensing closely enough, but quite a lot of it happens by commercial
companies deliberately inserting their stuff in the distros.

This is generally regarded as a win-win by everyone.  The commercial
companies benefit because of reduced support calls by people using their
stuff, and by the free advertising that their stuff enjoys, and by
increased sales of ancillary hardware their stuff works with.  The users
benefit because they don't have to separately obtain and install the
stuff.

It's also generally understood that if a commercial app seller doesen't 
like it they have the right to complain and get an immediate cessation 
of inclusion of their apps in a distro.  That is why I suspect happened
here.

Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse quite obviously feels that they have
captured enough fishes in the ocean and are making plenty of money now
and so do not require all of the free advertising that inclusion of 
their source in Debian gives them.  Quite obviously they complained and
their stuff was withdrawn as a result.

Ted

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