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From Warren Togami <>
Subject More Whitelist thoughts...
Date Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:18:27 GMT
On 12/18/2009 06:34 PM, John Hardin wrote:
>> SPAM% 0.0851 126 of 148025 messages HAM% 0.3738 746 of 199558 messages
>> S/O 0.185 RANK 0.63
> Frack.
> T_RCVD_IN_RP_SAFE SPAM% 0.0851 126 of 148025 messages HAM% 2.1367 4264
> of 199558 messages
> S/O 0.038 RANK 0.80

The weekly corpus is too small to safely draw any conclusions.
The rescore masscheck however has indicated that whitelists do more harm 
than good to spamassassin's classification of ham vs. spam.  These weeks 
of whitelist flamewars were hot in emotions but lacking statistical 
data.  The numbers suggest that the whitelists are benefiting the 
whitelist purveyor, while having zero or minutely negative impact on 

If this is indeed true, then we might want to ask ourselves why we are 
giving such influential weights to the whitelists.  Even the newly 
reduced scores like -2 for RP_SAFE may be unearned given the statistics 
we are seeing.  If we had left these rules floating, the GA rescorer 
would have given much lower scores.

I might be in favor of further score reductions in the short-term until 
we figure out a long-term plan.

In related news...

To my surprise, Matthias has begun to implement my recommendations of 
improved manual abuse reporting, and automated abuse reporting.  Their 
accuracy even without automated abuse detection isn't too bad.

If their self-description of abuse detection methodologies is indeed 
true, then I don't know what ReturnPath can do more to improve.

score RCVD_IN_IADB_VOUCHED 0 -2.2 0 -2.2
score RCVD_IN_IADB_DOPTIN 0 -4 0 -4
score RCVD_IN_IADB_ML_DOPTIN 0 -6 0 -6
Any idea what this is?  It seems these aren't hitting anything in the 
weekly masscheck.

Warren Togami

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